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The Move is on - Stairs and 3 tons
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Those photos are hilarious!
Actually, there is a sticky plastic film that is used in transport @PeterT . But it is mostly a protectant for scratches not for corrosion protection. Automobiles are designed with very high levels of corrosion protection built right in. They can easily handle a transoceanic voyage or three.
Again, I'm not advocating it but that shrink wrap they use on pleasure boats for the winter might be a consideration when there are no other options and when used with other products. And thinkinf about this reminds me of the potential to use a VCI protectant like that found in parts containers where corrosion has been a problem. The VCI is soaked into cardboard and even paper and put in the box with the parts. The VCI slowly volatalizes and finds its way into the microscopic cracks in the grain structure of the metal to prevent corrosion from starting. It's very effective. I'm still looking for a bulk supply of the liquid.
And that reminds me that WD40 is selling a new (to me anyway) product called Corrosion Inhibitor. The label says it contains a VCI and is good for 1 to 2 years indoors. I bought a can of it to try but have not done so yet. Not sure what they claim outdoors.
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Actually, there is a sticky plastic film that is used in transport @PeterT . But it is mostly a protectant for scratches not for corrosion protection. Automobiles are designed with very high levels of corrosion protection built right in. They can easily handle a transoceanic voyage or three.
Again, I'm not advocating it but that shrink wrap they use on pleasure boats for the winter might be a consideration when there are no other options and when used with other products. And thinkinf about this reminds me of the potential to use a VCI protectant like that found in parts containers where corrosion has been a problem. The VCI is soaked into cardboard and even paper and put in the box with the parts. The VCI slowly volatalizes and finds its way into the microscopic cracks in the grain structure of the metal to prevent corrosion from starting. It's very effective. I'm still looking for a bulk supply of the liquid.
And that reminds me that WD40 is selling a new (to me anyway) product called Corrosion Inhibitor. The label says it contains a VCI and is good for 1 to 2 years indoors. I bought a can of it to try but have not done so yet. Not sure what they claim outdoors.
Corrosion Inhibitors for Metal | WD-40 Corrosion Inhibitor | WD-40
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LRSbm146
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@Dabbler I bought the lathe and it was getting moved to Leduc. The mill went to a friends house in Calgary. I was having trouble getting help lined up from Edmonton so hired movers off Kijiji. I showed up early and drained the oil, pulled the tailstock, carriage, chuck and had it off the stand and on the floor. The previous owner strongly recommended not going any further. Movers came, we stood it on end on a heavy duty dolly and out it went. Couple of tense moments on the stairs when the dolly gave out otherwise pretty smooth. The movers agreed to $600 delivered, I gave them $700 and a case of beer. They refused to have anything to do with the milling machine. Hahaha
The mill was moved in small as possible pcs over a couple weeks, 2 guys and a new dolly until it was just the base. New movers were hired, I think 6 guys showed up. It was not good. Pretty sure the stairs and back landing of the house need major repairs and the back door frame was damaged pretty bad.
The mill was moved in small as possible pcs over a couple weeks, 2 guys and a new dolly until it was just the base. New movers were hired, I think 6 guys showed up. It was not good. Pretty sure the stairs and back landing of the house need major repairs and the back door frame was damaged pretty bad.
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Dabbler
ersatz engineer
Fortunately our move went a little more smoothly....
We protected the stairs by making a track using 2 - 2X8s on their side, and everything was strapped down to a custom dolly. We used the hotshot winch on a car hauler that I hired for 600$ to do the lifting. No one was in the fall line as things went up. Well the previous owner kept walking into it and needed shooing away.
The bull noses on the stairs got a few nicks, and we put a tiny ding in the drywall that took 5 minutes to fix.
The lathe bed was too dangerous to lift that way, as it was too long to negotiate the turn at the top of the stairs. I make a custom crane cradle between the floor joists and moved it out the window with that. It weighed 975 lbs, about the same weight as the milling machine base.
Dabbler
ersatz engineer
I had to buy and/or make 7 or 8 dollies, a dozen or more heavy winch straps, lumber for the cradle, and the metal makings of the joist crane, a new main beam for my gantry crane, a 1 ton scale, tarps, some tools, cribbing, plywood to protect the landing, and the wood to make a deck outside his back door to recieve all the machine tools. We did 16 lifts that day, and moved the lathe bed later.
FWIW we called Prime movers, and they wouldn't move a bridegport type mill out of the basement. It was too dangerous for their crew. tHEY wanted just under 10K$ to move the lathe out of the basement. That was the incentive for doing it 'homebrew'.
FWIW we called Prime movers, and they wouldn't move a bridegport type mill out of the basement. It was too dangerous for their crew. tHEY wanted just under 10K$ to move the lathe out of the basement. That was the incentive for doing it 'homebrew'.
LRSbm146
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@Dabbler the movers for the lathe were really good, the guys for the mill were pretty sketchy and didn’t want help.
Sean, the old timer that We bought the machines from was really good about everything. He sat, drank his tea and didn’t say much.
The house everything was in was being sold as well and the new owner was there, he informed us the house was getting a full reno. So all was good in the end.
Sean, the old timer that We bought the machines from was really good about everything. He sat, drank his tea and didn’t say much.
The house everything was in was being sold as well and the new owner was there, he informed us the house was getting a full reno. So all was good in the end.
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Here is something you wish you had, I've used one in the early 90's. Makes you look like superman. They work extemely well just don't mix up the sequence of operation or you loss the load.
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I think it's amazing that the stairs didn't collapse. Most of those stairway stringers end up being a 2x4 by the time the steps are cut into them. I've even seen pre-cut stringers made from 2x4s with step risers tacked to them. Two 2x4s don't carry a lot of weight.
I MUCH prefer @Dabbler s approach to custom carriers that spread the weight out.
Still a risky operation no matter what you do.
If I was faced with moving a basement full of heavy machines, I would have considered excavating and opening up a basement wall, and booming the equipment out. I know its not practical in every case, but putting a basement wall back together and backfilling a hole is quick and easy compared to tearing down multiple precision machines with hundreds of parts. Just offering a different approach.
I agree totally. It was my first thought actually. But unfortunately, very few sellers would allow that.
If I had to put my own shop in the basement, I would put in an enclosed oversized grade entrance with a removeable wall. It would be relatively low cost compared to the flexibility it would give me in the years to come for upgrades, additions, and sales.