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Pallets of 4140
- Thread starter Alexander
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I think hands and trucks are the #1 thing to bring. HD hand truck makes sense too. Engine hoist for the really big + long stuff is great. Straps is one thing we could probably use extra of.
In the absence of a forklift at the pickup location we will need to hand load most of this into truck beds.
Will aim for later afternoon middle of next week. Ultimately it's up to him, as he has the metal, but will do my best. Just everyone know that the times are extremely tentative, and totally dependant on him.
Will reply here and text whomever I have numbers for once we get a date a time to work with.
As we don't have confirmation on the pallet setup, everyone budget $75. We will evenly split all the costs, and it will probably be closer to $60 each or something.
JW
In the absence of a forklift at the pickup location we will need to hand load most of this into truck beds.
Will aim for later afternoon middle of next week. Ultimately it's up to him, as he has the metal, but will do my best. Just everyone know that the times are extremely tentative, and totally dependant on him.
Will reply here and text whomever I have numbers for once we get a date a time to work with.
As we don't have confirmation on the pallet setup, everyone budget $75. We will evenly split all the costs, and it will probably be closer to $60 each or something.
JW
The heaviest stuff is the 6.75" Diameted, 52" long stuff, weighs in around 530lbs, according to an online calculator. Probably need four people to get all this out in a timely fashion. 3-4 truck 4-5 people would be best, but unless you guys have a friend who can make it, we might have to just "make do"
The engine hoist is good for that heavy item, but I am guessing the seller doesn't want to wait for too long while we get loaded.
@kylemp What's the best way to strap a piece of round stock for lifting with an engine hoist? Two chokers?
The engine hoist is good for that heavy item, but I am guessing the seller doesn't want to wait for too long while we get loaded.
@kylemp What's the best way to strap a piece of round stock for lifting with an engine hoist? Two chokers?
I would think 2 slings choking it at either end would be best but your lose a lot of height that way. A single sling choked at each end and slid on would probably be ideal but just be careful that the weight doesn't start to shift off centre or it will keep going.. in my experience a single sling choke in the centre is OK but I've always been a long ways away from the round being lifted when doing that so I'd be pretty cautious if you try it out. I won't be in town so unfortunately I can't give you guys a hand.
Dabbler
ersatz engineer
You use 3 wraps to a choke in the centre. it will never slip. know this from rescue rigging, 20+ yrs experience and pointers from my father, who was a card-carrying rigger. I'll bring lots of straps. Some riggers use 2 wraps, gives me goosebumps, but I haven't seen one slip that way either.
I might be interested in a 4" or some 3.75" but only about 6" of it. I may be able to assist with a set date and time known in advance
Dabbler would it make sense to put down a piece of plywood under the hoist?
Yep. The engine hoist has tiny wheels, and they work best on hard flat surfaces, not snow covered road gravel. For loading it will likely be best to be able to roll the hoist.
JW
Yep, works fine, but maybe just pay upon pickup it's fine.
Good thoughts on loading techniques guys, couldn't agree more.
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I have taken a few classes for lifting and rigging with an overhead crane and the simple way to lift these bars will be the safe way.
This is just a single choke and it is fine as long as you get it close to the middle. Then someone will have to steady one end of the bar so that it does not tip. As long as you are not lifting it on an angle nothing will shift. If the bars are on a pallet lift one end up a bit with the sling and stick a block under so you can re position the sling in the middle.
Dabbler
ersatz engineer
Alexander, you are correct. On a balanced load. You will find that config on every rigging manual. There will always be a caveat that "more turns may be used". I have been taught that you do 2 or 3 wraps (3 being preferred) before choking the lift. You will find that it cannot slip with 3 even on teflon, even on one end, at any load. the frictional force on the load is proportional to the number of degrees of bending of the straps, cubed. The lifting strap always breaks before the load slips when 3 wraps are used. This configuration is commonly used to hoist tree sized logs by one end when doing logging.
Dangerous lifts, such as high lifts and very heavy objects, are always lifted this way.
I am adding this because using a single turn choke puts the steady person at a (small) risk, which can be avoided by rigging it in this alternative way. (and because the question was asked)
Dangerous lifts, such as high lifts and very heavy objects, are always lifted this way.
I am adding this because using a single turn choke puts the steady person at a (small) risk, which can be avoided by rigging it in this alternative way. (and because the question was asked)
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John thanks for offering to help. We will surely need as much help as we can get.
Anybody who wants to help please try to wear steel toes.
Stay tuned for a date-we still don't know when exactly but are aiming for a mid afternoon next week.
Just received this email from him:
"I am back in town and confirmed I can sell the inventory. The scrap metal person called me this morning and I told him I am selling to a different party. He immediately increased his offer to $1600 but you were the first to commit to the $50/pallet, so I am sticking with you and your group. So I believe there are 24 pallets in total so $1200. If the weather holds and dries out a bit more I might be able to help load with a fork lift but no guarantees on this as our forklift does not work well outside until the ground is dry and solid.
You can come anytime this week you want or even next week.
Just let me know when you’re thinking so that I am onsite to let your group in."
Now sure how to proceed. I was careful never to commit to taking all of the pallets of materials.
Thoughts?
"I am back in town and confirmed I can sell the inventory. The scrap metal person called me this morning and I told him I am selling to a different party. He immediately increased his offer to $1600 but you were the first to commit to the $50/pallet, so I am sticking with you and your group. So I believe there are 24 pallets in total so $1200. If the weather holds and dries out a bit more I might be able to help load with a fork lift but no guarantees on this as our forklift does not work well outside until the ground is dry and solid.
You can come anytime this week you want or even next week.
Just let me know when you’re thinking so that I am onsite to let your group in."
Now sure how to proceed. I was careful never to commit to taking all of the pallets of materials.
Thoughts?