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Heat wave ?
- Thread starter mmcmdl
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Im feeling the sun seems more intense as well, for a few years now.
Doing deck is like being an ant on a mirror in the full sun! Its a miserable job
Ironman
Ultra Member
I grew up in Oliver, 14 miles north of there. I took my shirt off in April and put it back on in October, but then I had to wear it in school.
32-35 degrees was great. It was nice playing in the orchards with the ditch irrigation, we made our own rivers and lakes and towns. Then came dwarf trees, and sprinklers, and then drip irrigation and the cool shade and moisture of the fruit orchards was gone. Then the cats came and plowed down the trees and sagebrush and they put in grape vines which love the heat more than I do. Things were different then.
32-35 degrees was great. It was nice playing in the orchards with the ditch irrigation, we made our own rivers and lakes and towns. Then came dwarf trees, and sprinklers, and then drip irrigation and the cool shade and moisture of the fruit orchards was gone. Then the cats came and plowed down the trees and sagebrush and they put in grape vines which love the heat more than I do. Things were different then.
My youngest son and I picked rocks for two days beside a team of 10 migrant workers picking rocks on the farm next door. After an hour or so, they moved to the far opposite side cuz they didn't like how lazy we made them look. The two of us were out picking them 10 to 1. They are no match for a Canadian who WANTS to work. And therein lies the rub.
mmcmdl
Machinist/Toolmaker ( retired )
After I posted this thread , I got to talking with Dabbler . He explained that a lot of people do not have air conditioning and many are elderly . So I see why now they issue the heat alerts at 80 degrees . It feels great to me but not others . If any consolation , it's 97 back in Md and has been for a week or more . The dogs don't even want to go outside to do their business . Either way , its nice to be up here . 
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Non-political. Throw out the climate deniers, and the eco-warriors flinging paint on priceless works of art. Let’s just go about this pragmatically. Forest fires in BC and Alberta have been devastating in the last few years, whether it’s just a natural climate change or man-made. Anyone here been to Lillooet recently?
But: ignore the doomsayers, and focus on reality. What is the downside of using less fossil fuel, throwing away less plastic, having more efficient and cleaner energy sources? I probably won’t buy an electric car, mostly because my garage is full of metalworking machinery, but if my fleet of old Toyotas die, I’ll buy plug-in hybrids. I took advantage of $9k in rebates and replaced my gas furnace and hot water tank with heat pump/ac and on-demand hot water. Saves a tiny bit of money a month compared to my previous hydro and gas bills, but having whole-house ac is glorious. I ride a bicycle when it’s applicable for the task at hand, a 110cc 150mpg motorcycle when possible, and carry a cloth bag into the grocery store. I don’t buy bottled water, try to avoid buying stuff made in China, and recycle most of my refuse. It’s not being an eco-warrior, it‘s just common sense to use less and throw away less.
Will my reduction in fossil fuel use and using less plastic have any bearing on the global climate? Nope. But it does save me some money.
But: ignore the doomsayers, and focus on reality. What is the downside of using less fossil fuel, throwing away less plastic, having more efficient and cleaner energy sources? I probably won’t buy an electric car, mostly because my garage is full of metalworking machinery, but if my fleet of old Toyotas die, I’ll buy plug-in hybrids. I took advantage of $9k in rebates and replaced my gas furnace and hot water tank with heat pump/ac and on-demand hot water. Saves a tiny bit of money a month compared to my previous hydro and gas bills, but having whole-house ac is glorious. I ride a bicycle when it’s applicable for the task at hand, a 110cc 150mpg motorcycle when possible, and carry a cloth bag into the grocery store. I don’t buy bottled water, try to avoid buying stuff made in China, and recycle most of my refuse. It’s not being an eco-warrior, it‘s just common sense to use less and throw away less.
Will my reduction in fossil fuel use and using less plastic have any bearing on the global climate? Nope. But it does save me some money.
Ironman
Ultra Member
And I support your right to make this choice 100%
My choice is different and I expect the same respect.
mmcmdl
Machinist/Toolmaker ( retired )
Pics or it didn't happen !
I’m on the sidelines, the poles have been melting since they first froze, we were taught in school about the glaciers retreating, we have a couple boulders by my house allegedly left by the “ Ice Age “. They have found campfires ( drum roll ) in the English Channel, cities under water I believe they just found another down Mexico way. What I find interesting is Gore started all this saying beachfront will disappear ( then apparently bought some)
Rockets are getting launched almost weekly going through the ozone layer apparently causing no harm Because they can get carbon credits to cover the pollutants. Businesses can get credits while we pay full price.
but after all the rants I have to wonder as we go deeper into space we will have to deal with different atmospheres are we a global experiment on Teraformimg?
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Rockets are getting launched almost weekly going through the ozone layer apparently causing no harm Because they can get carbon credits to cover the pollutants. Businesses can get credits while we pay full price.
but after all the rants I have to wonder as we go deeper into space we will have to deal with different atmospheres are we a global experiment on Teraformimg?
We now return you to your regular programming.
I can just see that…. Officer I’m in my underwear because of the heat not to worry though I’m out of Viagra so the center pole for the tent is broken.
I’ve never used the air conditioner in the truck I’ll flip it on once every couple of years just to see if it works I don’t have one in the house well my son does in his room for his Guitars and amps those tube throw off a hell of a heat.
140mower
Don
I've been living the dream here for 30 years now...... But I think that you are thinking of Lytton.
One of our biggest issues with forest fires IMHO is that we have been too efficient for years at putting them out, all the while letting the fuel pile up.... The other is that we, being humans are perhaps the dumbest living creatures on the planet and as long as we are individually happy, screw everyone and everything else.....
Oops. Lytton, not Lillooet.
That's OK. Lytton got listed as the hottest place in Canada, an awful lot, while I was growing up here in Lillooet, where it was generally, hotter. But Lytton had the weather station, and Lillooet didn't...
Lillooet has it's own fair share of the local view that has been burnt off, of late.
I see they are finally starting to cut Permits for replacement buildings down there, three, almost four years on, after the fire that wiped the town off the map again (this is the fourth time the townsite has been burnt clear). A lot of folks not happy at the infighting among the Bands that wound the whole process up like kittens in the knitting!
I have more than a few savage words to say about BC Wildfire Service, and their "Managing" fires! And a few more, when it comes to threatening Farmers, and Landowners, with arrest, if they should dare to attempt to protect their own property or that of their neighbors, as happened here in BC a few years ago. The more polite complaint I have, is that they hired a bunch of people who are not local and experienced in the local climactic conditions (wind behavior, day/night flows on and off the mountains, etc.), and rather than listen to those in the system that actually know the area and it's habits, they insist that since "they" have the "Education", that they know better.
Stuff like lighting a backfire across a mountain slope, at 4 in the afternoon, and then being surprised when the evening downflow off the mountains pushed it completely in the wrong direction, making the fire worse, rather than improving the situation.
When i was much younger the "old man" would send us boys out to haul the last of the grain to town, usually in July, hot and shoveling bin bottoms out. Man it felt cold when the trucks were full and you came out of that steel furnace. Good way to burn off any extra fat, a sauna with exercise.
Ah, yes, the ice ages, note the "s" at the end. I believe that means more then one! Last time I checked, that ment, it got "cold" when then the ice age started, and warmed up to end the ice age. Maybe the start of the "broil age". And if there have been more then 1 ice age, then there has been more then 1 "broil age".
Yes, we lived in B.C. in 2003, just north of Kamloops. Note, it is called "B.C. wildfire service", the service they provide is fire and it must be wild! There was a bunch of learning done, mostly it started with" I never seen that before!"
Most of the people that knew of fires had retired around that time, been replaced with edjaymicated people that had no out door knowledge and had likely had never burnt a marshmallow.
Yes, @140mower, the "don't let the bug kill burn. We will log that and make lumber!" If it did not get made into lumber in 3 years, it was no good anyway and started becoming danger trees! Them things would get rot in them and break off anywhere, at the butt, just above the butt, anywhere up the length of the trunk and or the branchs. The juice? the bugs used to help? eat the wood seemed to cause a very fast acting/growing fungus/rot, and stained the wood blue, it was in great demand overseas. We would not buy that lumber, it didn't last very long outside, and had a bad smell to it.
I watched a stand of bug kill, that lightning hit many times, it always started a fire, that fire was always put out. At the last, there were a bunch of hits, and it became an uncontrolled fire of some size. The problem was fixed, people in a panic, evacuated, water bombers, fire crews, and so on.
Lots of times, us humanzzz don't know very dam much!
Yes, we lived in B.C. in 2003, just north of Kamloops. Note, it is called "B.C. wildfire service", the service they provide is fire and it must be wild! There was a bunch of learning done, mostly it started with" I never seen that before!"
Most of the people that knew of fires had retired around that time, been replaced with edjaymicated people that had no out door knowledge and had likely had never burnt a marshmallow.
Yes, @140mower, the "don't let the bug kill burn. We will log that and make lumber!" If it did not get made into lumber in 3 years, it was no good anyway and started becoming danger trees! Them things would get rot in them and break off anywhere, at the butt, just above the butt, anywhere up the length of the trunk and or the branchs. The juice? the bugs used to help? eat the wood seemed to cause a very fast acting/growing fungus/rot, and stained the wood blue, it was in great demand overseas. We would not buy that lumber, it didn't last very long outside, and had a bad smell to it.
I watched a stand of bug kill, that lightning hit many times, it always started a fire, that fire was always put out. At the last, there were a bunch of hits, and it became an uncontrolled fire of some size. The problem was fixed, people in a panic, evacuated, water bombers, fire crews, and so on.
Lots of times, us humanzzz don't know very dam much!
trlvn
Ultra Member
I've tried to stay out of this ...
You should read up on the timeline of the glacial periods. The most recent is thought to have lasted over 100,000 years[1]. The issue we face is that temperatures are rising at what appears to be a rate MUCH faster than EVER before. Possibly runaway.
How do you think future generations are going to view us if we do nothing and they roast? Maybe we could do a little bit of the most obvious stuff?
Craig
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Glacial_Period
[slow, deep breath... Inhale, exhale]
I have been deeply involved in discussions on this very subject for decades now and consider myself pretty well informed on the topic. For today's lesson I don't plan to offer many answers but, instead, ask a number of questions.
First, hit the link & scroll down to the graph:
Q1: If CO2 is the Glowbull Warmening boogeyman some say it is, how is it possible that we are here to argue about it after reaching peak atmospheric CO2 concentrations 16x our current level? (7000ppm vs 420ppm)
Q2: If CO2 is the Glowbull Warmening boogeyman some say it is, how is it possible that, in the midst of 4000ppm+ atmospheric CO2 concentration, there was a global ice age? (~450 million years ago)
Q3: Some have attempted to debunk this graph, saying the numbers are not accurate. Fine. Just for S&G's let's assume an error of 50%. In the mid-Cambrian, that still means an atmospheric CO2 concentration of ~3500ppm, 8x greater than where we are today. And yet, here we are. And yet, there was still a global ice age.
Q4: If atmospheric CO2 concentrations truly drive temperature (and not the other way around), how does one explain the disparity between the relationships on the graph at ~625 million years, 550 million years and 300 million years?
Second link:
OK, even the most hardcore warmists have difficulty justifying any date prior to 1950 as possessing a high enough atmospheric CO2 concentration to effect global temperatures.
The article notes the furthest extent of the glacier at Glacier Bay at the end of the Little Ice Age in 1750 was well into Icy Strait. Furthermore, the article notes that 130 years later, the glacier had retreated 45 miles (5 + 40).
Q5: With atmospheric CO2 concentrations around 250ppm in the 18th & 19 century, the Glacier Bay glacier retreated 45 miles in 130 years. If CO2 is the Glowbull Warmening boogeyman some say it is, how is it possible that, in the face of "unprecedented" rates of increasing atmospheric CO2 concentration and a current peak around 420ppm, the glacier has only retreated an additional 20 miles in 140 years?
Questions, questions, questions...
I could go on at length, but will reserve further comment for now.
I have been deeply involved in discussions on this very subject for decades now and consider myself pretty well informed on the topic. For today's lesson I don't plan to offer many answers but, instead, ask a number of questions.
First, hit the link & scroll down to the graph:
Q1: If CO2 is the Glowbull Warmening boogeyman some say it is, how is it possible that we are here to argue about it after reaching peak atmospheric CO2 concentrations 16x our current level? (7000ppm vs 420ppm)
Q2: If CO2 is the Glowbull Warmening boogeyman some say it is, how is it possible that, in the midst of 4000ppm+ atmospheric CO2 concentration, there was a global ice age? (~450 million years ago)
Q3: Some have attempted to debunk this graph, saying the numbers are not accurate. Fine. Just for S&G's let's assume an error of 50%. In the mid-Cambrian, that still means an atmospheric CO2 concentration of ~3500ppm, 8x greater than where we are today. And yet, here we are. And yet, there was still a global ice age.
Q4: If atmospheric CO2 concentrations truly drive temperature (and not the other way around), how does one explain the disparity between the relationships on the graph at ~625 million years, 550 million years and 300 million years?
Second link:
OK, even the most hardcore warmists have difficulty justifying any date prior to 1950 as possessing a high enough atmospheric CO2 concentration to effect global temperatures.
The article notes the furthest extent of the glacier at Glacier Bay at the end of the Little Ice Age in 1750 was well into Icy Strait. Furthermore, the article notes that 130 years later, the glacier had retreated 45 miles (5 + 40).
Q5: With atmospheric CO2 concentrations around 250ppm in the 18th & 19 century, the Glacier Bay glacier retreated 45 miles in 130 years. If CO2 is the Glowbull Warmening boogeyman some say it is, how is it possible that, in the face of "unprecedented" rates of increasing atmospheric CO2 concentration and a current peak around 420ppm, the glacier has only retreated an additional 20 miles in 140 years?
Questions, questions, questions...
I could go on at length, but will reserve further comment for now.