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Electric panel questions.
- Thread starter Perry
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Brent H
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@Perry : my son shops at most of the major suppliers in Barrie. I will see what can be done. I have some 6/3 but not 10 meters - I would need to check at home Wednesday. I believe I have a length of 6/3 but it is marine cable - flexible like an extension cord.....Hmmmm
I will get my son to inquire - If it is at another place we can track it down. PM me your phone number incase I find something
I will get my son to inquire - If it is at another place we can track it down. PM me your phone number incase I find something
Every one appears to be out of stock and waiting. My Ford Fiesta sat at the Dealership waiting on a part for over a month. We recently had to replace our washer and dryer and 50% of the store display machines were labeled NO ETA.
It's only special because I need it. lol. I should have started purchasing my supplies in September instead of waiting on the contractor to finish their part of the job. I didn't realize the "shortage of materials" issue was so bad.
My garage electrical work was on hold for materials. They even used a larger panel then they had planned for in my garage so they could complete the job.
Even before they started my job they called me to tell me they had to increase their estimate by 10%.
This 6/3 wire will be used to wire in a Nema14-50 plug (240V 50amp). Hopefully future proofing my garage if an EV ever comes into my life. In reality I don't need it right now but everything is open, I'll be working under a proper permit......now is the time to install it.
The plan was to install the plug on the far wall. I even changed that to reduce the number of feet I required. Moving it to the end wall in the center of the garage will reduce the length and give the option of charging a car in either parking location.
Still trying to layout everything to hopefully be happy in the future with my decisions.
One thing that I have finalized on is the lighting. I'm planning on 6 single ceiling lamp bases. With the new LED bulbs that are coming out, it is very easy to get a 10000 lumen screw in bulb. The life expectancy is better then a LED (flourescent) fixture type layout. As technology improves, unscrewing and screwing in a new bulb is simple. Presently the prices seem very reasonable. My other thought is if I install the ceiling bases with the pull switch on them, I can turn off certain areas I am not using. (They will all still be wired to a single on/off switch).
Sounds like you have done a great job of planning.It's only special because I need it. lol. I should have started purchasing my supplies in September instead of waiting on the contractor to finish their part of the job. I didn't realize the "shortage of materials" issue was so bad.
My garage electrical work was on hold for materials. They even used a larger panel then they had planned for in my garage so they could complete the job.
Even before they started my job they called me to tell me they had to increase their estimate by 10%.
This 6/3 wire will be used to wire in a Nema14-50 plug (240V 50amp). Hopefully future proofing my garage if an EV ever comes into my life. In reality I don't need it right now but everything is open, I'll be working under a proper permit......now is the time to install it.
The plan was to install the plug on the far wall. I even changed that to reduce the number of feet I required. Moving it to the end wall in the center of the garage will reduce the length and give the option of charging a car in either parking location.
Still trying to layout everything to hopefully be happy in the future with my decisions.
One thing that I have finalized on is the lighting. I'm planning on 6 single ceiling lamp bases. With the new LED bulbs that are coming out, it is very easy to get a 10000 lumen screw in bulb. The life expectancy is better then a LED (flourescent) fixture type layout. As technology improves, unscrewing and screwing in a new bulb is simple. Presently the prices seem very reasonable. My other thought is if I install the ceiling bases with the pull switch on them, I can turn off certain areas I am not using. (They will all still be wired to a single on/off switch).
Personally, unless you are filthy rich, I doubt there is really an EV in your future, but if there is, you will be ready for it!
The only thing you said that I would do different relates to your lights. I like the idea of individual pull cords for sectioning off/on work areas. But I wouldn't run them off of just one switch. I'd run two switches. That way if one breaker or switch goes, you can still find your way to the box or to the house. As I said earlier, a battery powered trouble light that comes on when the line power goes off is also a good idea. A shop/garage is typically not a good place to be stumbling around in the dark.
@Susquatch
Oh, I'm not a big fan of the EV's. I don't think it has been thought thru 100% yet. Green my butt. lol. The problem is we will be forced to follow the master plan whether we like it or not.
Reading online I think the number is $200/Kw of battery size is the estimate to replace the battery in one of the machines. A Nissan Leaf should cost around $5000-6000 dollars. A Canadian posted online they wanted $15000 to replace the battery in his 2013 model. This is a disposable car at that price.
A green friend of mine tells me "but there is no maintenance on a EV so the cost averages out". Most of us here are smart enough to realize just because the motor is electric does not mean the maintenance goes away.
Good article here is you are bored.
www.recurrentauto.com
@Hacker, I've been searching. Already posted a want ad on Kijiji.
@Hacker and @RobinHood I'm pretty green in the electrical area. I would need to read up a little more on what I'm allowed. I did figure running a conduit might be an option. I'm guessing I can drop down to the #8 size because the wires are separate in the conduit?
Oh, I'm not a big fan of the EV's. I don't think it has been thought thru 100% yet. Green my butt. lol. The problem is we will be forced to follow the master plan whether we like it or not.
Reading online I think the number is $200/Kw of battery size is the estimate to replace the battery in one of the machines. A Nissan Leaf should cost around $5000-6000 dollars. A Canadian posted online they wanted $15000 to replace the battery in his 2013 model. This is a disposable car at that price.
A green friend of mine tells me "but there is no maintenance on a EV so the cost averages out". Most of us here are smart enough to realize just because the motor is electric does not mean the maintenance goes away.
Good article here is you are bored.
Electric Car Battery Replacement Costs
When it comes to electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids, many shoppers wonder how long it will be until they have to replace their battery. Then what will it cost to replace that battery?
www.recurrentauto.com
@Hacker, I've been searching. Already posted a want ad on Kijiji.
@Hacker and @RobinHood I'm pretty green in the electrical area. I would need to read up a little more on what I'm allowed. I did figure running a conduit might be an option. I'm guessing I can drop down to the #8 size because the wires are separate in the conduit?
Lots of common sense in your post Perry. I too am a skeptic, but willing to change—I just don't want to be an early adopter. That's not to say I don't think it is a great idea and clearly the future. But we are kidding ourselves if we think this will stop or even stall climate change. Nor is this industry carbon neutral. The bigger issue is how do you travel and stop to juice up? I guess I hang with the wrong crowd, but I still don't see public charging stations in my travels yet.@Susquatch
Oh, I'm not a big fan of the EV's. I don't think it has been thought thru 100% yet. Green my butt. lol. The problem is we will be forced to follow the master plan whether we like it or not.
Reading online I think the number is $200/Kw of battery size is the estimate to replace the battery in one of the machines. A Nissan Leaf should cost around $5000-6000 dollars. A Canadian posted online they wanted $15000 to replace the battery in his 2013 model. This is a disposable car at that price.
A green friend of mine tells me "but there is no maintenance on a EV so the cost averages out". Most of us here are smart enough to realize just because the motor is electric does not mean the maintenance goes away.
Good article here is you are bored.
Electric Car Battery Replacement Costs
When it comes to electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids, many shoppers wonder how long it will be until they have to replace their battery. Then what will it cost to replace that battery?
@Hacker, I've been searching. Already posted a want ad on Kijiji.
@Hacker and @RobinHood I'm pretty green in the electrical area. I would need to read up a little more on what I'm allowed. I did figure running a conduit might be an option. I'm guessing I can drop down to the #8 size because the wires are separate in the conduit?
Kind of thinking the business to get into is buy a big F550, strap two massive generators on it, and offer mobile recharging services to guys who get stranded between charging stations. Image the irony of a couple of generators belching fumes charging a Tesla halfway between Calgary and Banff.
Definitely not carbon neutral or green. In the old days when people were homesteading this country, what did they do with their trash? They threw it in a coulee or down a river bank. They never left it on the fields or in their yards. Out of sight out of mind. Nothing has changed. Everyone complains about the pollution China (or basically any other slave world country) creates, but this is our pollution. Out of sight out of mind. These EV's sound good but what we don't see is the problem. A lot of this problem is being hidden from us in other countries.
Serious about climate change? Stop population growth. Population neutral. The carbon rebate rewards larger families. Who is going to have a bigger carbon foot print?
Come up with real alternate ideas. Do we need the size of car we presently use? What if cities designated some major roads (North-south, East-west type corridors) to be used only by alternative type vehicles. When I say alternative I mean, electric bikes, maybe electric type/size golf carts, small energy efficient vehicles that wouldn't survive well in a crash with regular vehicles. Most people don't need the speed and size of a conventional vehicle for the small trips around a city. I can see in Canada where a small vehicle with an enclosed heated cab that could do maybe 30 mph would be more then sufficient in a city setting. Ride share vehicles like Car2go or even the E-scooters are a good idea. There has to other ideas that would even be better then my example.
Sorry for the rant.....touchy subject for me.
I though about the portable generator idea also. You know there will be a need for it. My guess is you will be charging people just a couple kms from their home. The car use to make the trip but as the battery slowly deteriorates away you get less and less range. Everything is great when it's new.
I'm sure they are. With their gas prices they were probably smiling before.
I think presently they have a 30L ration on fuel. A smaller vehicle would do ok on this. My Jeep Grand Cherokee on the other hand, not so well.
My cell phone battery has lots of life left in it. I can only use it 10 minutes before it needs a recharge, but it has years of use left in it. lol. There is a point where that Tesla battery will just become a pain if you do not replace it.
The article I posted above has mentions $20000 for a Tesla S battery replacement. I think that is in US dollars.
Hopefully a third party starts producing replacement batteries for these vehicles at a much cheaper price otherwise there will be a large market of very cheap used EV's laying around.
Beaten to the punch again: https://blinkcharging.com/products/mobile-charger/?locale=en