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Bambu Labs to implement an authorization and authentication protection mechanism

BL stormed onto the market not as a cost leader but as a user friendly option for 3D printing.

Agreed. 3D printing is an enthusiast and technical hobby that demands a lot of know-how to begin with. Bambu brought a lot of people into the hobby because it's just a really well sorted out printer. That's also why folks with lots of know-how moved onto Bambu because it simply works better than other products on the market. This is partially why there's an uproar, because people know there isn't a comparative product on the market. Otherwise, folks would just walk away quietly to another printer. This is also why 24/7 Etsy printer farms are upset because moving to Prusa would be more work and headache, despite it being more "open".

I am a firm believer of open-source as well. But I'm approaching this case more pragmatically. I don't see 3D printing like deciding on a Bridgeport. It's not a "buy once, cry once" product. 3D printers lean more towards consumables like laptops and smartphones that will continuously get better, not for trivial novelty reasons but because technological improvements will keep pushing the possibilties. I don't compare 3D printing with ink printing for this reason. I invested in a higher-end duplex laser printer/scanner (no ink subscription!), knowing it does everything I'll ever want in my printing practice. But I bought the A1 without the AMS instead of the X1C or P1 as a stop-gap investment until other, objectively improved products come along. I also didn't want to avoid 3D printing any longer, and with the arrival of the Bambu can now see the ROI (printer cost, my own time, cost savings) in rather short time. Even if I throw the A1 out in a year, I would have gotten my moneys worth. I always saw Bambu as a closed ecosystem so my expectations were tempered. I mean, they have the Apple white slick design aesthetic going on. It was never intended to be hidden in the basement or garage for hardcore tinkering and modding, but in a cozy office beside an espresso machine.
 
But I bought the A1 without the AMS
Me too. I have have enjoyed my initial 3DP toe-dipping experience thus far, now this. Well, I may be a SD card Neanderthal for other reasons which may help matters, but I hope future firmware updates don't bugger up my life. Figures that I hold off 3DP for 15 years, but within 2 WEEKS of buying, the brand I buy is in the center of a sh*tstorm. Maybe there is hope if the sentiment turns into expected or actual sales reduction. Lots of seemingly smart boardroom ideas have a way of changing course with a sacrificial head on a platter once the stock gets kicked in the nads.
 
Me too. I have have enjoyed my initial 3DP toe-dipping experience thus far, now this. Well, I may be a SD card Neanderthal for other reasons which may help matters, but I hope future firmware updates don't bugger up my life. Figures that I hold off 3DP for 15 years, but within 2 WEEKS of buying, the brand I buy is in the center of a sh*tstorm. Maybe there is hope if the sentiment turns into expected or actual sales reduction. Lots of seemingly smart boardroom ideas have a way of changing course with a sacrificial head on a platter once the stock gets kicked in the nads.

You dipped your toes in right time and with the right product IMO. It was hard to get people sold using 3D printers at work because of how finicky they were, slow (deadlines), and high level of failures and quality issues that required post-processing (sanding, clipping). Folks were puzzled about being told to lay down some dollar store glue stick on the printing plate for what is supposed to be an automated experience.

I can't think of another ~$500 investment that so easily opens a window to a whole new production world.
 

Everything they have said wont be in the update can be changed at any time. When they find they're not profiting as they'd like and key shareholders demand more profits promises are worthless. The matter is about trust, and smart consumers choosing not to trust a corporate psychopath... Ask those who trusted 23and me if they now regret it

It is a lot easier to trust an entity selling open source products...
 
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FWIW, the reason I got the mentioned discount in another thread is because a month after I got the A1 there was a recall. Bambu proactively reached out, offered to take the unit back (refund) and offered a discount code to buy another for the inconvenience. A cable swap would have sufficed, but they probably figure a lot of their customers aren't that handy or be annoyed at this DYI experience.


There are so many large, well-established companies in the tech world that work so hard to disown these issues and leave the fix for the next model.
 
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@DavidR8 posted a similar notice. I asked him the same question I'm asking you.

Do you trust them?
No.
But I also don't spend much time worrying about having it turn into a completely locked down system that will force me use nothing but their proprietary products and services. I'm already doing that for the most part and am quite happy with the results. I have spent far less time dicking around with trying to make the printer work properly in more than a year than I ever did with my open source Creality Ender 3 in a single print project. This one just works and I'm pretty confident that it will continue to work after all this fuss and bother blow over. I want to play with the things I print, not the printer. Been there, done that, not doing it again.
 
I want to play with the things I print, not the printer. Been there, done that, not doing it again.

My sentiments exactly.

You'll have finished another 30 print projects on the Bambu before anything is formally implemented, good or bad :D

"Open source" is not some abstract, universally stable concept. It has meaning only when it provides added value through modding (access, features, cost savings) in relation to the opposite product under a closed system. When "open source" is inferior and more costly, the idea is far less appealing. This is the case for 3D printing market right now.

Long ago I was hacking routers installing Open/DD WRT. Been there and done that. I just want home internet to work as means to other ends. All hail my Netgear overlords. 3D printing isn't similar to metal/woodworking for me. There's no joy or added value in fussing around with it.

I think their advertisement is pretty clear on their intended customer and user experience.

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Regarding the recall:
Purchasers of affected A1 printers have two options: they can return their A1 for a full refund plus a $80 voucher on our online store or arrange replacement of the heatbed and cable by a trained electronics repair technician plus a $120 voucher on our online store.

It should really come as no surprise this is an "Apple" product first that so happens to have "pro" features.
 
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One time use spools?
No, the spools are split spools. The refills sold by Bambu come coiled and wrapped with no spool. You just put the refill on the spool, put the other half of the spool on and then unwrap the refill. Each refill has a new RFID tag you put on the old spool and you're good to go. If I've bought from other vendors that use the cardboard spools I will usually transfer them to the plastic spools. I've had bad luck with filament on cardboard spools. The spool will start to spread and then the filament will bind. If I rewind it onto a plastic spool there is no further problem.
 
My turn. Being a new owner of a A1C+AMS it's been an interesting experience.
1. Is it turnkey? It was for me. Didn't even read the web directions which was probably a stupid move.
2. Is it like an APPLE product. Yes. Lot's of things to "enhance your user experience" but nowadays everyone is doing that.
3. They supplied a spool with a small amount of green PLA Basic filament and a full spool of support filament. I used up the green.

What happened though is when this spool is installed in the AMS and the filament pushed into the drive slot the reel comes to life, turns back and forth a bit and clearly the system reads the RFID tag because the display now shows it installed in A3. And in the user interface it sets up the slicing parameters for the best operation with the filament (as in really fast and still nice).

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But wait... there's more. The grey plastic spool on the left had the green filament. The cardboard spool on the right is from Matter3D in Langford. Notice under the label there's a grey/silver dot covered in plastic. It runs across and is the same on the other side.

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That first photo in this posting isn't from the left spool but from the cardboard one with the RFID tag. The system thinks it's green and it sets up printing as if it was the green Bambu PLA Basic.

Now if this filament isn't as good as the Bambu then it's easy enough in the user interface to change speed and other parameters etc. So how does the grey turn out if the nozzle isn't all clogged from an odd PETG changeover experience?

Really well. Dimensions match. Finish is good.
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From the software perspective. Create a new project, import an STL file, highlight it on the build plate and select which reel to use. Slice and send to printer. It pops up with sending to printer through the cloud. It's already sliced so I'm not even sure why it has to go through the cloud but apparently that feature can be switched to not go through the cloud.

What it cannot do is import a G-Code file sliced by something else. That's probably why the ORCA slicer is an add on module.

Let's take a step sideways for a moment. The way I used to do it and how I still do with the SOVOL since I don't have this 'klipper' thing on my SOVOL (@DavidR8 has)

In the old days I used the Repetier_Host software and I could slice with any old slicer that created the G-Code. Most of the time I used Slic3r. The Repetier_Host could can connect via USB to the printer driver board and run the printer or just save to a file or SD card.

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I do the same thing with the SOVOL program and save the sliced file to disk.

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And now here is where things are different from the Bambu and I think the 'klipper' thing. For the SOVOL and the now defunct older printer I use a Raspberry Pi and a program called OctoPrint. It's on my network. I drag and drop the generated G-Code file onto the user interface and then tell it to print. The SOVOL Slicer or which ever one I've chosen on Repetier_Host has the printer configuration set up so the G-Code matches the printer.

The Raspberry Pi is connected to the SOVOL (or my old one) via USB again just like the PC could be with Repetier_Host. But now the printer can be far away in a closed room where the noise doesn't keep us awake and the connection display is done with the browser.

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Plus the Pi has a camera so I can watch it too. I can even track each layer as it's being printed. It's graphically laid down in one colour and then as the printer lays down the filament the trace changes colour. There are also all sorts of features like

@DavidR8 will have to post some pictures to show what that 'klipper' thing does. How to slice. How to print. How to watch with video.

Am I disappointed that I can't use the same user interface for both the SOVOL and the BAMBU? Yes. But I knew that going in.

OTOH, The Bambu overall is easier to use if I didn't know anything. It's frustrating because I think the user interface is poorly written. Instead of clicking on the part and then way down clicking on change filament I should be able to select the filament from 5 locations on the main screen.

What's also awful is that although the user interface is theoretically in communications with the printer it doesn't know that I loaded new filament that is green. Or, it knows that the filament with that RFID tag has now been marked as grey (which it is).

In either case if I click on the yellow #1 for Generic PLA at a simple level I think the part on the build plate should turn yellow. The chance you'd have two different items on the build plate and go through a filament change for every layer is very unlikely. But that doesn't happen. the filament colours and types don't match the printer.

However from a project perspective if the project is loaded then it fills in what is required for this project. ie. instructions as to which type of filament to put into which AMS slot.

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All for now.
 
Here's an addendum to the behaviour of the Bambu X1C. I went into the Device Screen. Notice how the A1 spool location shows PLA Green. That PLA was in the A2 location a few minutes ago. I pulled it out, moved it to the A1 location and again the reel turned a bit. And then on the device LCD display the green PLA info moved to the A1 location. Back to the PC application and sure enough it's moved.

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So. I believe the 'Prepare' screen indicates what filament to put into the printer while the 'Device' screen indicates what is in the printer.

Therefore if I have a print that has two colours for the main print and say black for inlaid text plus support filament then the 'Prepare' screen should be set up for:
PLA White, PLA, Tan, PLA Black, PLA Support. Import the STL and save the project.
Then follow my own directions and install Bambu White, Tan and Black along with Bambu PLA Support. The Device screen would then mirror the 'Prepare' Screen.
Slice and print.

Now there's a little hex nut ICON ala the idea that rather than menu's and text everyone knows what little nut ICONs mean. Anyway, it opens up a menu with check boxes and one of them is for show remaining filament. In this case because the green was used up the ICON of the filament now shows empty.

It appears the BAMBU does track, maybe in a database how much filament is used from a particular RFID tag. I don't know if that impacts actual printing. Once I use a bunch of the grey, which is using the green RFID tag, I'll know better.

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I print simple things using my Prusa, and have found the Prusa slicer to be really intuitive and really easy to use. I'm curious about other slicers and what do they do better than the Prusa slicer?
 
I still like the Silc3r used on Repetier the best mostly because from that one slicer I can select which machine I'm slicing for. The SOVOL_CURA is only the CURA slicer. I don't see how to incorporate anything into that. I've never tried the PRUSA slicer option. I think I read somewhere that the Bambu Slicer is a version of the PRUSA slicer but I'm not sure.
 
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