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[KeeponDragon]

Nope. That link is to some dude running a power hammer?

that is really bizarre...lol...whoops

 

[slow-poke]

Found it.......

Much better than the metal smashing dude;-)

I do like RatRods ;-)

MISSUNDERSTOOD-Connie

Official model mayhem page of MISSUNDERSTOOD-Connie; member since Mar 16,2014 has 15 images, 25 friends on Model Mayhem.

www.modelmayhem.com

 

[YYCHM]

Found it.......

Much better than the metal smashing dude;-)

I do like RatRods ;-)

Well.... post the link.

 

[Mike R]

Here is my shop. Mostly cleaned up as I'm having the local model steam club over for our monthly meeting on Sunday. Its actually messier now than this as I've been doing stuff and I need to get back and clean up some more (I've got 2+ days...)
I've taken over half the basement. Welding/brazing is relegated to the garage (not shown here).
After reorganizing, the entry to the shop has the horizontal saw and the Emco Compact 5 CNC

As you get down the hall, the rest of the shop starts to come into view - the new to me Tormach 1100 S3, the Standard Modern 1334 and the rather abused Delta drill press.

There's an 8ft steel top workbench on the wall to the left (hiding behind the Mini mill that is now rolled over to the entrance hallway), and a few wood top benches in other places.

OK that was the clean parts. Now the not so clean.
Metal and wood storage under the stairs if I can get in there and not die trying...

B&S 6x12 Surface grinder and vertical bandsaw in foreground, pile of random electrical wires and hoses in background. You can see the beige index card drawers and beside them further left are Durham organizer drawers (grey). The card file drawers are great for storing all my shorter bits of metal in a somewhat organized manner, along with all sorts of salvaged may-be-useful-someday stuff like wall wart power supplies, misc electronics project stuff, old RC plane crap, etc. Finally looking all the way back is another bench, with a D bit grinder and a huge messs on the floor from rewiring the mini mill. And a new display track for my very incomplete locomotive.

 

[phaxtris]

did some upgrades over the holidays

More light! you can never have enough light



Finally added more 220 outlets so that i dont have to unplug the lathe to use the mill, or plasma, etc.



and a splitter for the welding machines, seems i hate to unplug things to plug in other things

 

[SomeGuy]

did some upgrades over the holidays

More light! you can never have enough light

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Finally added more 220 outlets so that i dont have to unplug the lathe to use the mill, or plasma, etc.

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and a splitter for the welding machines, seems i hate to unplug things to plug in other things

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Is that all up to code? Clearly wasn't permitted work? Looks like 10/3 wire out of some sort of junction box? Into presumably a 50a plug....with only hot/hot/ground, no neutral - so did you just cap the extra wire in the plug boxes?

Also, personally, I always use AC90 (aka armor cable) in exposed areas like this, but ESPECIALLY in shop environments where they risk getting dinged up.


(I wouldn't report this or anything, but electrical is one area where doing it right is really really important)

 

[phaxtris]

Is that all up to code? Clearly wasn't permitted work? Looks like 10/3 wire out of some sort of junction box? Into presumably a 50a plug....with only hot/hot/ground, no neutral - so did you just cap the extra wire in the plug boxes?

Also, personally, I always use AC90 (aka armor cable) in exposed areas like this, but ESPECIALLY in shop environments where they risk getting dinged up.


(I wouldn't report this or anything, but electrical is one area where doing it right is really really important)

It's on a 30a breaker, neutral is capped off in the junction box, 50a receptical because that is was is on just about every welding machine/plasma cutter/etc

Those plugs are over 5ft off the ground, chances of getting dinged are low to none

 

[SomeGuy]

It's on a 30a breaker, neutral is capped off in the junction box, 50a receptical because that is was is on just about every welding machine/plasma cutter/etc

Those plugs are over 5ft off the ground, chances of getting dinged are low to none

Well that's good to hear....

Though, technically there's still a code violation having multiple receptacles that would allow overloading of the circuit. There's something in code that says the intended load of a circuit can't be more than 80% or whatnot, so you shouldn't be able to plug in more than 24a of load. This is why usually all circuits above 20a are dedicated breakers. I'm also fairly sure code still requires physical protection for NM cable, the height guideline is 1.5m so you're fairly good there, but there's also a provision for at risk of mechanical damage, which a shop would qualify.

Again, not trying to be difficult, and I'm not the ESA here or anything, but one area I take very seriously is proper electrical (the other being proper natural gas usage).

 

[slow-poke]

Though, technically there's still a code violation having multiple receptacles that would allow overloading of the circuit. There's something in code that says the intended load of a circuit can't be more than 80%

I realize this is code, and one point that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Really common to have multiple duplex receptacles on a single 15A breaker. Now two people in adjacent bedrooms decide to plug in hairdryers at the same time getting ready for the big party. #14 gets a bit warm, the breaker trips and nothing bad happens, okay they are five minutes late to the party. Now it's a 30A breaker with two receptacles in a workshop; guy decides to run the portable heater at the same time he is welding. I fail to see the difference, or the danger.

The 80% rule also doesn't make a lot of sense to me, #14 can happily flow 15A all day long. Is it ideal no, is it unsafe I would argue no.

BTW 30A through #14 will typically raise the temperature to the 90C rating of the insulation (lots of factors but decent estimate), at 15A it's just barely warm.

 

[Mcgyver]

I realize this is code, and one point that doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Keep in mind how the electrical code is set. It is a bureaucracy whose self preservation requires they constant change stuff. AC power has long been understood and, imo, at this point much of what they do is based on maintaining relevance. I just think it is nonsense that how they told me to wire a house 20 or 30 years ago is now unsafe.

Once upon a time I took things at face value and believed all was good. However part of become a grumpy old ****** is having lots of doubt and negativity toward institutions. . I don't believe they are 100% evil, but also don't believe their mandates and actions and agendas are 100% legit either. These are the people who would love to make it illegal to do your own electrical work, because they are a trade association.... i.e. whose interest do they really serve?

 

[slow-poke]

Agreed, seems to me that the new arc fault breaker legislation is an expensive solution looking for a problem.

 

[Ironman]

I would love to install gantry crane in shop but probably gonna just build Jib crane for forklift.

Any suggestions I can add to floor that maybe handy let me know I pour concrete on Jan 30th. So some time for last minute additions

A slight slope toward the center and that should slope to the outside door to drain of water and snowmelt. 1" in 20 ft is good.
A step for the bottom of the overhead doors leading out to the sloping 10ft wide apron in front of the doors. This keeps driving rain from pooling under the doors and inside on the shop floor.

 

[Ironman]

Agreed, seems to me that the new arc fault breaker legislation is an expensive solution looking for a problem.

They have created the problem with kicking out for any brush equipped vacuum motor, electric drill, grinder and many more. A plasma torch can induce enough RF to pop them, I'm told
You can't fight the bastards, but after they give you the blessing, you pull the breakers and sell them on Kijiji, and replace with tried and true ordinary breakers. We all have to do that out here.

 

[Lucky7]

Agreed, seems to me that the new arc fault breaker legislation is an expensive solution looking for a problem.

I prefer to look at data. I tend to agree that some updates are merely money grabs, but arc fault breakers for bedroom circuits (maybe more) are not one of them. At least in my non electrician opinion. Maybe take a look see at this link?

NFPA report - Home Electrical Fires

These reports include statistics on home structure fires involving electrical failure or malfunction as well as electrical distribution or lighting equipment.

www.nfpa.org

 

[Susquatch]

Keep in mind how the electrical code is set. It is a bureaucracy whose self preservation requires they constant change stuff.

I can understand how and why you feel that way. Most such government organizations are like that. But there is another side to code books that often go unnoticed and underappreciated.

About a million years ago I served on the electrical code review committee for Ontario - it was an unpaid activity based on expertise. For the most part, it was our job to review the code in the context of technology advancements, industry requests, and coroner's recommendations. The latter part was the most important. Whenever someone is killed in an accident, a coronor has to do an investigation, a report, and if appropriate make recommendations for changes. The coroner's report is often based on external expert advice and input.

The electrical code does not have to be changed to reflect the coronor's report (because they are usually just recommendations), but there has to be a very thorough assessment if the committee decides to go against those recommendations.

This review is often an assessment of stupidity (can't usually fix that but you had to try - it's called idiot proofing), practicality, effectiveness, and cost to name just a few of the factors.

In my experience, most of the objections to code requirements were based on a poor understanding of what can go wrong in various situations. Most electricians understand the obvious, but they fail to appreciate circumstances that they don't encounter themselves. If every electrician had to investigate every fatality themselves, I'm sure their view would change. Supposedly, the code is there to make that unnecessary. Ground loops and faults are a great example of something few electricians let alone the public really understand. Even the lowly neutral wire gets more than its share of harrassment.

In my opinion, it's ok to think poorly of the code, but sometimes it helps to ask why that particular requirement might be that way. The answers are often surprising. In my day, we wrote a summary of changes along with the rationale. Regrettably, I think that activity is gone now - probably because nobody read it.

On the flip side, there are also many very old requirements that are no longer valid as well as some that never should have been there in the first place. My grandfather's uncle said that's how it had to be done......

Never let perfection be the enemy of the good. All things considered, I think the code is a good thing.

 

[Lucky7]

Sasquatch, do you have a link to the summary of code changes and rationale you mentioned?

 

[Ironman]

Here is my shop, and there are a few projects under construction, some waiting for time and some for inspiration.
21 ironworker and press
20 Gearhead drill and pressbrake
18 and 17 mill in the machine shop room
16 lathe in machine shop
14 tractor inside to fit some attachments I'm building
13 forklift and furnace project and the plasma table hidden behind forklift
12 Welding area
There is more in the stockroom but no pics, but you've all seen steel, oil filters compressor, etc.

 

[Susquatch]

Sasquatch, do you have a link to the summary of code changes and rationale you mentioned?

No. As I said, I think that practice is gone now. For the most part it also predated the internet.

 

[Mcgyver]

All things considered, I think the code is a good thing.

Vs no code? 100%. It's not about being cranky, I've bought into it, followed it and then a few decades later they change it, wasn't good enough. Get it right and then leave it alone! Reminds me of John Tory reducing the speed limit because a couple pedestrians were killed. So let's inconvenience millions, and make things less efficient. Heck, why not make the limit 10kph then no one gets killed? i.e. with a sample group of millions, it's difficult and expensive to idiot proof it and too often trying creates inconvenience/issues for all the non-idiots .... all decided in bureaucratic context. Then you get into what folly it is in the context of actuarial cost/expected value, but that comes across as being a little dark for a weekend chit chat .

Plus, I'm getting grumpier. But thanks for trying to keep me on an even keel

 

[Susquatch]

But thanks for trying to keep me on an even keel

I try. I've been on both sides of that fence line too many times.

Don't get me going on automotive safety and emissions standards.