Rifle Action Truing

[cuslog]

In terms of accuracy, most still need to learn to sight correctly along with a correct trigger pull, after that start blaming other things.

I like to think of it as: "Drop the hammer without disturbing the sights" and then "follow through".
Seen quite a few people spend a fair chunk of $ trying to get better by buying high end equipment before they learned how to "drop the hammer without .....
Lots of us have been guilty of that though (myself included). Still forget sometimes

 

[DPittman]

I’m always open for suggestions, but the trick is knowing if the person giving advice is worth listening to. That’s in general, in my opinion, not just related to shooting

Ain't that the truth. Usually the most outspoken and quick to offer advice comes from those that are least qualified and/or very close minded to anything that deviates from "their" method. And as you eluded to, it is often the same from shooting sports, to motorcycles, to sausage making, to beer making, etc, etc.

 

[Chicken lights]

Ain't that the truth. Usually the most outspoken and quick to offer advice comes from those that are least qualified and/or very close minded to anything that deviates from "their" method. And as you eluded to, it is often the same from shooting sports, to motorcycles, to sausage making, to beer making, etc, etc.

Like you said, I think, usually, the people that quietly watch you perform a job, then quietly pull you aside later and offer some small advice, are the ones (usually) that can be relied on.

The loud ones that talk all the time like @Susquatch are generally full of hot air

(ducks for cover)

(and totally kidding but hey why not poke the bear)

 

[Susquatch]

I’m always open for suggestions, but the trick is knowing if the person giving advice is worth listening to. That’s in general, in my opinion, not just related to shooting.

That's the reason for shooting side by side groups with the young ones. Paper doesn't lie. When the dead dog is laying on the table, they are more willing to set their egos aside, let you rap their knuckles, and listen when you tell them that they are yanking, flinching, pushing, sitting different, rest is inconsistent, not squeezing the bag right, not following through, etc. etc

 

[Former Member]

I like to think of it as: "Drop the hammer without disturbing the sights" and then "follow through".
Seen quite a few people spend a fair chunk of $ trying to get better by buying high end equipment before they learned how to "drop the hammer without .....
Lots of us have been guilty of that though (myself included). Still forget sometimes

Yes, I was just putting it into the simplest terms possible.

Having always gone to the competitive side in anything that I do (this is a flaw I'm told by some ) and usually transition to the high end of whatever for equipment. Though over the years to truly maximize the benefits of said top end equipment you NEED to master the simple basics, otherwise its a waste of money.

And in some cases the better equipment hinders learning.

 

[Tom O]

Some people give good advice
some people try to verify their existence.

 

[Chicken lights]

That's the reason for shooting side by side groups with the young ones. Paper doesn't lie. When the dead dog is laying on the table, they are more willing to set their egos aside, let you rap their knuckles, and listen when you tell them that they are yanking, flinching, pushing, sitting different, rest is inconsistent, not squeezing the bag right, not following through, etc. etc

I’m gonna open a bag of worms-

Why are there umpteen million choices for boolit weight? I’m (slowly) learning that lighter boolits go faster/ heavier goes slower

Ok cool, but why 150 grain, 158 grain, 165 grain etc?

Yes I also realize there are BT or HP or FMJ or on and on for choices for boolit design

Is there seriously a difference between a 150 grain projectile and a 158?

Going from memory you said you use 165 for target and 168 for hunting (could be backwards)

The heck is the difference in such small weight?

 

[DPittman]

I’m gonna open a bag of worms-

Why are there umpteen million choices for boolit weight? I’m (slowly) learning that lighter boolits go faster/ heavier goes slower

Ok cool, but why 150 grain, 158 grain, 165 grain etc?

Yes I also realize there are BT or HP or FMJ or on and on for choices for boolit design

Is there seriously a difference between a 150 grain projectile and a 158?

Going from memory you said you use 165 for target and 168 for hunting (could be backwards)

The heck is the difference in such small weight?

Check out one of the many online ballistic calculators and play with the numbers a bit and you will see why there are so many choices, because they all perform a bit differently in different conditions.

 

[Susquatch]

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I’m gonna open a bag of worms-

Why are there umpteen million choices for boolit weight? I’m (slowly) learning that lighter boolits go faster/ heavier goes slower

Ok cool, but why 150 grain, 158 grain, 165 grain etc?

Yes I also realize there are BT or HP or FMJ or on and on for choices for boolit design

Is there seriously a difference between a 150 grain projectile and a 158?

Going from memory you said you use 165 for target and 168 for hunting (could be backwards)

The heck is the difference in such small weight?

It's not a can of worms. Let's start at the end first.

Yes, you have it backward. 168 for target and 165 for hunting. As far as weight goes, they are virtually the same. But the 165 is a hunting design for controlled expansion and clean kills. The 168 is less than optimum for controlled expansion but has better consistency for target shooting. They may be roughly the same weight but they are totally different designs for totally different purposes.

OK, now for the bigger picture. Different weights even close to each other often have different profiles, different jacket designs, and different purposes. Light game heavy game, short range long range, etc etc. The barrel twist often sets limits on which weights will work, and many rifles are fussy. They will shoot one weight and design great but another not so great. Ya gotta find what works in your rifle for your intended purpose. Lots of brands to play with too.

 

[Susquatch]

@Chicken lights - before you ask, yes - it's the same with powders and primers and even brass. Might be close but still different enough that ya gotta find what works for you.

 

[Chicken lights]

Check out one of the many online ballistic calculators and play with the numbers a bit and you will see why there are so many choices, because they all perform a bit differently in different conditions.

I get that - but you can change ballistic characteristics in the same cartridge, with projectile weight and powder manufacturer alone

I believe

 

[Susquatch]

I get that - but you can change ballistic characteristics in the same cartridge, with projectile weight and powder manufacturer alone

I believe

Yup, you are right about that.

Assuming you already have a rifle and cartridge, start with what is your purpose. Then set yourself some limits to play with that meet that purpose. Then look at twist limits, oal limits, and range limits and then pick a few bullets, some powder and and some loads that fit that profile and load some up (start low and work up) till you find what works for you. Or call me and we can talk.

 

[Chicken lights]

Yup, you are right about that.

Assuming you already have a rifle and cartridge, start with what is your purpose. Then set yourself some limits to play with that meet that purpose. Then look at twist limits, oal limits, and range limits and then pick a few bullets, some powder and and some loads that fit that profile and load some up (start low and work up) till you find what works for you. Or call me and we can talk.

I agree, I need some help loading as a beginner but have goals

My immediate problems is that I have friends that reload, but don’t reload “X” cartridges, well that and I need to actually be home more than a half day

I know you’ve been busy with farming and family stuff so haven’t asked for anything, I know you’d be welcome to help out normally

 

[Susquatch]

I agree, I need some help loading as a beginner but have goals

My immediate problems is that I have friends that reload, but don’t reload “X” cartridges, well that and I need to actually be home more than a half day

I know you’ve been busy with farming and family stuff so haven’t asked for anything, I know you’d be welcome to help out normally

My crops are in, my taxes are ready to file, my mom is ok for now. No doctors appointments for a while. Funeral Home is too busy for me. Time to play now.

 

[Chicken lights]

My crops are in, my taxes are ready to file, my mom is ok for now. No doctors appointments for a while. Funeral Home is too busy for me. Time to play now.

More importantly, the wife is doing well?

The backbone to the operation, however quiet, plays the largest part

 

[6.5 Fan]

Jeeez, Sasquatch's wife is run off her feet keeping him on the straight and narrow.

 

[Susquatch]

More importantly, the wife is doing well?

The backbone to the operation, however quiet, plays the largest part

Jeeez, Sasquatch's wife is run off her feet keeping him on the straight and narrow.

@Chicken lights is totally right about her, and @6.5 Fan has no slightest clue.

My bride is a saint. She is immortal, invincible, ageless, gorgeous, charming, never wrong, and she has the memory of a steel trap - especially for things I did wrong 50 years ago. She is also the perfect mother, grandmother and great grandmother. Her cooking and housekeeping are nothing less than amazing - actually embarrassing when contrasted with my own abilities in those arenas. She does have a few faults though: she has no sense of direction, severe lack of respect for tools and their proper use, and a hyperactive supply of estrogen.

 

[Former Member]

@Chicken lights is totally right about her, and @6.5 Fan has no slightest clue.

My bride is a saint. She is immortal, invincible, ageless, gorgeous, charming, never wrong, and she has the memory of a steel trap - especially for things I did wrong 50 years ago. She is also the perfect mother, grandmother and great grandmother. Her cooking and housekeeping are nothing less than amazing - actually embarrassing when contrasted with my own abilities in those arenas. She does have a few faults though: she has no sense of direction, severe lack of respect for tools and their proper use, and a hyperactive supply of estrogen.

Danger Will Robertson , Danger, never ever point out the flaws, this will only add to the steel trap of a mind.

 

[Susquatch]

Danger Will Robertson , Danger, never ever point out the flaws, this will only add to the steel trap of a mind.

No worries. After 55 years of being together I've got it all figured out. She keeps me alive to keep her estrogen under control.

For now I'm ok, but someday soon I will need help. With my luck that will be the same day Canada stops the sale of Viagra. The steel trap will close later that same day and then I'm a dead man.

For now, I enjoy playing with fire!

 

[Chicken lights]

Back to muzzle devices- can you trust factory threads on a barrel to have concentric ID to OD parameters? or as @Susquatch pointed out would the factory care about such tolerances?