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D. Gray D&D - HEAVY DUTY KNURLING TOOL KIT

Fine center punch go, tap it out counter clockwise. As soon as a the tap is exposed small visegrips, tighten on tight and turn out.

Not sharing how I know this method :rolleyes:

Ive done this in the past too.

Not ashamed to share past adventures.

Edit - Walton extractors are far superior. But sometimes ya just gotta use whatcha got......
 
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This morning I sourced two new 10-24 taps and a pieced of SS to make a new hinge pin from @Tom Kitta (Thanks Tom!).

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Man that 01 tool steel is horrible stuff to tap. I ended up going up a drill bit size. Should have done that with the first pin when it was scritching with every turn of the tap:rolleyes:

So one down now and one more to re-make.
I'm not sure if this is relevant to your situation but #10 and 3/16" thread/screws are very close in size to each other, and I believe are usually interchangeable but in hard material that may not be the case and might be the cause of problems.
 
They have worked quite well for me over the years. Hardened fingers go down between the tap cutter edges and grip right at the break.
I must be doing something wrong, I've never had them work. Not that I make a point of breaking taps, but it seems like they can never deliver enough torque to break the chip. They're the Cone of Silence of my shop, great idea, never work like they're supposed to.

I've have good luck drilling them out and also with my home brew EDM, but tap extractor success eludes me. Probably something to do with the fact broken taps happening the in smaller sizes where there is not much space for the fingers.

Craig made the best call....not too much time into piece? start over.
 
I have a set of Walton tap extractors. They seem to work as intended when required after a bozo move… fortunately, they collect dust in the tooling cabinet for much of their lives…

Last use was when I got overzealous power tapping Craig‘s mill table. Did not reverse the spindle before the tap reached the bottom of the blind hole - just shattered the thing. I recall Craig watching me getting the tap bits out using the Walton system.
 
Last use was when I got overzealous power tapping Craig‘s mill table. Did not reverse the spindle before the tap reached the bottom of the blind hole - just shattered the thing. I recall Craig watching me getting the tap bits out using the Walton system.

That was more my fault than yours I think. I distracted you with a question at the crucial moment. The extraction process was interesting.
 
I cheated (for now) and used a 3/8" bolt shank for the replacement hinge pin.

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Even that was a PITA to tap:rolleyes:

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First assembly. Everything is nice and tight. Maybe a little too tight?
 
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@YYCHM said I cheated (for now) and used a 3/8" bolt shank for the replacement hinge pin. Even that was a PITA to tap.

Hey Craig I'm wondering if the answer for the hinge pin kit might be use drill rod of the correct diameter, tap that then harden same if needed. Sort of a wild guess on that. I've drilled and tapped drill rod on my lathe and mill although one must work gently with lots of lube.
 
@YYCHM said I cheated (for now) and used a 3/8" bolt shank for the replacement hinge pin. Even that was a PITA to tap.

Hey Craig I'm wondering if the answer for the hinge pin kit might be use drill rod of the correct diameter, tap that then harden same if needed. Sort of a wild guess on that. I've drilled and tapped drill rod on my lathe and mill although one must work gently with lots of lube.

The hinge pins are drill rod. 01 tool steel drill rod.

@Dusty Have you been power tapping on your lathe and mill?
 
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Not that I make a point of breaking taps, but it seems like they can never deliver enough torque to break the chip. They're the Cone of Silence of my shop, great idea, never work like they're supposed to.

Sometimes I read more into what others say than I should. This might be one of those times. I would never try to advance the tap to break the chip. I only break off the backward chip that has already been started when the tap broke. In that sense, nothing new is being cut, just whatever has started to lift from the trailing edge.

I've never tried to examine what happens, but I'd expect that turning the tap backward only clears an already started chip.

In any event, I never try to do that in one motion. I wiggle it backward and forward a smidge at a time. I don't force anything. In that way, the tap breaks the chip much like wiggling a piece of burr would break when you wiggle it back and forth. Sometimes it takes a lot of wiggling, but it's VERY satisfying when it finally turns back a full flute with virtually no effort.

Perhaps it helps to visualize the process the way I do - it's like bending the started chip back and forth till it fails in fatigue.

I will be honest, I have no idea where I got those instructions or even if I ever did get them from a source. They might well be the product of my own sick mind.

What I can say for sure is that my garbage taps have given me lots of practice in recent years. I don't recall having early problems though. That would be back in the days of holding a drill bit and a tap up against a window to see how much the tap is cutting..... Back then, I prolly had much bigger holes than I use today!

Ive now had a chance to check my tap sets. My oldest two sets (small metric and small imperial) are both HSS. My two big sets are both "Alloy Steel" but one is titanium coated and the other is tungsten coated. They are both that gold colour. I fully expect that the tungsten coating is an error and they are really titanium coated too. They are made in China.
 
Ive done this in the past too.

Not ashamed to share past adventures.

Edit - Walton extractors are far superior. But sometimes ya just gotta use whatcha got......
There are certain errors that evolved into very good learn experiences and discovery of new methods with limited tooling/time/options.

However, I going to not share those details as I never do those things.
 
@Dusty Have you been power tapping on your lathe and mill?

The answer is no I've never done power tapping. All my tapping is done by hand supported with the correct sized drill bit, tap follower, lots of cutting fluid and soft hands. One must be spot on with center punch and/or center drill or the job becomes fudged from the get go.

When you are interrupted, tired, in a hurry, or muscle bound with tapping that's when Murphey's Law comes into the equation. Perhaps that's the main reason I've never broken a tap besides that my machine preference is my lathe or mill/drill over my drill press for total accuracy.

Craig I like the quote button.
 
The answer is no I've never done power tapping. All my tapping is done by hand supported with the correct sized drill bit, tap follower, lots of cutting fluid and soft hands. One must be spot on with center punch and/or center drill or the job becomes fudged from the get go.

When you are interrupted, tired, in a hurry, or muscle bound with tapping that's when Murphey's Law comes into the equation. Perhaps that's the main reason I've never broken a tap besides that my machine preference is my lathe or mill/drill over my drill press for total accuracy.

Craig I like the quote button.

I like the quote button too. Did you know you can select some text and then get a choice to quote or reply as well? And that you can do this as often as you want? Nice feature!

Back to the topic..... I'm jealous of your hands. Stuff of mine breaks no matter how gentle, or precise, or careful I try to be. My wife puts "FRAGILE" signs on inch thick solid steel around here.
 
So... Tomorrow I plan to thread 2" of this 5/16 OD O1 drill rod...

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I've already done one end and have the total thread DOC figured out. The thread is usable but has a very rough finish. I used an indexable carbide threading tool with 0.005 DOC per pass turning at 180 RPM and 0.01 thou (?) feed.

How do I eliminate the rough finish?
 
So... Tomorrow I plan to thread 2" of this 5/16 OD O1 drill rod...

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I've already done one end and have the total thread DOC figured out. The thread is usable but has a very rough finish. I used an indexable carbide threading tool with 0.005 DOC per pass turning at 180 RPM and 0.01 thou (?) feed.

How do I eliminate the rough finish?

At that speed, I would have used HSS. But too late for that now.

If you are confident in doing it, I might be tempted to pick up the existing thread with HSS and do a cleanup pass. Or maybe be gentle with a wire wheel?
 
At that speed, I would have used HSS. But too late for that now.

If you are confident in doing it, I might be tempted to pick up the existing thread with HSS and do a cleanup pass. Or maybe be gentle with a wire wheel?

So switch to HSS you figure? I'm not worried about cleaning up the end thread, it's usable as is.
 
O1 has a tendency to tear when threading on a manual lathe as the speed is usually too slow for the carbide tooling. It’s a bit better using sharp HSS.

One way to get a decent finish is to thread about 3/4 of the depth and then use a sharp threading die to finish it off. Some folks call that cheating, but it gets the job done with a decent result to show for.
 
So switch to HSS you figure? I'm not worried about cleaning up the end thread, it's usable as is.

Ya, basically most standard carbide inserts are on the dull side and need speed to get good finish. Sharp HSS will cut well at lower speeds.

You could also try @dabblers trick of sharpening the carbide but I dunno about doing that on a threading insert.

You could also take a big swallow and go faster.

Do you have enough stock to try different scenarios?

Edit - I like @RobinHood s suggestion too. And I don't give a rat's butt about cheating. If it works it works!
 
@Susquatch wrote The Walton Set has saved my bacon more often than not. Walton Tools 18001 Tap Extractor Set https://a.co/d/84RDWHt

Never used Walton broken tap extractors in fact I've never broken a tap which has to be by pure luck and drill bit selection. Reading the reviews from Amazon on this tap extractor set https://a.co/d/84RDWHt leads me to believe they only work sometimes not always. Something to do with the extractor groves not being strong enough.

Could you expand further on your experience using same.
Well....sure wish I had your "luck". I broke 3 taps yesterday alone....worst day I've had in the shop for a long time, broke those 3 taps & chipped a tooth on 2 new endmills. A good lesson here, at the first broken tap I should have walked away for a bit too let the dust clear (we'll call it "dust" anyways) but instead I did the "farmer thing" and "bulled ahead" until something else broke...the "dust" just got worse!!!
 
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