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Here too.
We only ordered pizza delivery once in a blue moon when we lived near town. Out here there is no such thing.
Tomc938
Ultra Member
I hear you. we rented a car in Ireland (midsize SUV no less) and you are right, the proximity sensor is basically going off constantly as the rock walls are so close. Was fun the couple of time we came head on towards a 1) tractor and 2) Fuel truck!
I do not wear a helmet while bicycling. The day I'm forced to, I'll throw my bicycle through the front doors of the police station. Under 18? Fine. Mandatory for all? Bite me.
And, when I'm stateside on the Hawg & there is no helmet law, I don't wear one there either. Under 18? Fine. Mandatory for all? Bite me. Again...
I'm forced to wear a motorcycle helmet in Canuckistan. When I take it off entering Montana, I can assure you, I can see & hear better without it than with it. And, it's not building a false sense of security, either. Plus, few things make me laugh harder than when I see some young hot rod attired in shorts, muscle shirt & flip-flops on his crotch rocket, replete w/ his $1000 skull bucket.
In addition, before some of you go off all high & mighty about having to subsidize medical costs, etc., etc., etc., what about everyone who engages in risky behaviour, from smoking to drinking to doing drugs to all sorts of physical activity to flying to merely crossing the street and getting out of the bathtub?
Just like seatbelt laws or riding in a pickup bed or the myriad number of inane "laws" that don't need to be "law"
Yep. Funny any of us made it this far into adulthood, idn't it? Typical lawmakers: addressing the effect, rather than the cause.
Yep. I often think of kayaking in Arizona a few years ago, falling in, and the people around me panicking. I did a quick gear check, the essentials were there, and then responded telling them to calm down. I fell in a river and got wet. Good grief, I'll live.
Not exactly "law" related but that'll be next, no tipping kayaks into the river
Edit- we already have no tobogganing bylaws in some Ontario towns (no politics)
Nanny State Protection. When I was a very young child my father had a 1938 Indian with a suicide shift and I would sit on the gas tank as we drove around we me holding unto the handlebars neither of us with a tin can on our heads. Then again it wasn't uncommon to see young infants in the back window lying down no seat belts or baby seats no air bags, no padded dashes. You learned to drive when you could see over the steering wheel and reach the pedals.
I use to love going to the American base to ride my motorcycle no dumb helmet laws on the base. If you have ever drove a motorcycle with no helmet you know how different more enjoyable it is. When the wife decided she wanted her own motorcycle we taught her in a freshly mowed field. Then we had the father cut and balance the bike for her. If you can drive / start / stop and turn a street motorcycle on grass you can drive anywhere.
I use to love going to the American base to ride my motorcycle no dumb helmet laws on the base. If you have ever drove a motorcycle with no helmet you know how different more enjoyable it is. When the wife decided she wanted her own motorcycle we taught her in a freshly mowed field. Then we had the father cut and balance the bike for her. If you can drive / start / stop and turn a street motorcycle on grass you can drive anywhere.
Elektrishun
Ultra Member
Who said mandatory?
I'm talking about hypocrisy and common sense.
If mom expects the kids to wear helmets then she should set the example and wear one, too.
Elektrishun
Ultra Member
Usually the cause is human error which is impossible to fully address. That would require perfection from everybody.
Elektrishun
Ultra Member
I believe that adulthood should bring certain privileges: some driver's licenses, joining the armed forces to defend my country if needed, having a beer w/ my buddy, voting for the idiots that shove this (as @Warlock notes) Nanny State Protection down our necks, marriage & having children, among a plethora of others. I also believe that we should protect our children, to a point.
I can almost deal w/ some mandatory things for children <18: seat belts, bicycle & motorcycle helmets, limited access to alcohol (not complete abstention), just as a few examples. Again, look at most of us what, 50+? We made it alright. Bumps, bruises, the occasional broken bone, sure. That was called growing up.
I don't believe that age-related restrictions is hypocrisy. There's a reason you don't give a class 1 license to a 14 year old: They're simply not ready.
Nor do I believe that strapping a bicycle helmet onto your child's head exhibits any particular degree of common sense. Common sense would be taking your children out & teaching them how to properly ride that bicycle, turns, braking, hand signals, dirt & gravel trails, bouncing down off a curb & back up again, the rules of the road, the joys & dangers of bicycling. Then, at 18, if they decide to continue wearing a helmet, so be it. If not, fine.
Education & proper training will save far more lives than any alleged safety device.
How many of you have had a real motorcycle accident? Not a low speed dump, but a true high-speed ass over teakettle high speed separation of bike and rider?
This is the Alex Fraser Bridge in Vancouver. Scenario: I’m tootling over the bridge, rush hour, speed limit is 90k. Mid-span, traffic is slowing to look at a fender bender in the opposing traffic lanes. Three or so vehicles going in my direction decide to play bumper cars. They are right behind me, and there are emergency vehicles all over the place dealing with the original fender bender, so everyone in both directions is now stopped. Not me, I’m free to go! So off I go, the lone bike on three lanes of roadway, zooming downhill. Get about a couple of hundred yards from the end of the bridge, and yee hah! I blow the rear tire. Bike shimmies, slides east, then catapults me off the saddle and I’m now flying at low altitude going west. Ground, sky, ground, sky, ground, then stop sliding on the pavement. Do a quick inventory, and I think I have all of my original flesh coverings. My right shoulder and knees are killing me, but I can wiggle all my fingers and toes so it can’t be too bad. Before I can do anything else, an ambulance rolls up. They were just coming off the bridge at the head of all the traffic and were able to prevent me being squashed by a dump truck.
Knees are quite road rashy, and the brake lever on the handlebar is broken. The round knob end of the lever, and some of the straight section of the lever is sticking out of the shoulder of my jacket.
I’m still wearing my helmet. Full face, good quality helmet. EMS dude asks how I’m feeling, I explain the shoulder and knee stuff but say other than that I think I’m ok. He tells me to carefully remove my helmet.
Entire right hand side of my helmet is about 1/8” thinner than it was five minutes ago.
That would have been my face.
I support your right to live as you see fit, but not wearing a helmet could be a very poor choice.
This is the Alex Fraser Bridge in Vancouver. Scenario: I’m tootling over the bridge, rush hour, speed limit is 90k. Mid-span, traffic is slowing to look at a fender bender in the opposing traffic lanes. Three or so vehicles going in my direction decide to play bumper cars. They are right behind me, and there are emergency vehicles all over the place dealing with the original fender bender, so everyone in both directions is now stopped. Not me, I’m free to go! So off I go, the lone bike on three lanes of roadway, zooming downhill. Get about a couple of hundred yards from the end of the bridge, and yee hah! I blow the rear tire. Bike shimmies, slides east, then catapults me off the saddle and I’m now flying at low altitude going west. Ground, sky, ground, sky, ground, then stop sliding on the pavement. Do a quick inventory, and I think I have all of my original flesh coverings. My right shoulder and knees are killing me, but I can wiggle all my fingers and toes so it can’t be too bad. Before I can do anything else, an ambulance rolls up. They were just coming off the bridge at the head of all the traffic and were able to prevent me being squashed by a dump truck.
Knees are quite road rashy, and the brake lever on the handlebar is broken. The round knob end of the lever, and some of the straight section of the lever is sticking out of the shoulder of my jacket.
I’m still wearing my helmet. Full face, good quality helmet. EMS dude asks how I’m feeling, I explain the shoulder and knee stuff but say other than that I think I’m ok. He tells me to carefully remove my helmet.
Entire right hand side of my helmet is about 1/8” thinner than it was five minutes ago.
That would have been my face.
I support your right to live as you see fit, but not wearing a helmet could be a very poor choice.
Doggggboy
Ultra Member
But these 2 things are not mutually exclusive
Elektrishun
Ultra Member
Do as I say, not as I do is 100% hypocrisy. Mom might be less likely to have an accident than her 6 year-old. But when her head bounces off the pavement the results will be the same.
If you were the kind of kid I was, along with almost every one of my friends, as soon as my parents gave the safety speech and demo, then turned their backs, we did the opposite. Kids break rules and push limits, we all did.
My friends and I had a lot of close calls, a few didn't make it.
When we biked as a family everyone wore a helmet because it made sense to us. What my kids did when on their bikes when we weren't around I don't know. Chances are the helmets hung off their handle bars.
Elektrishun
Ultra Member
I came to a stop at traffic lights on my bicycle. Didn't realize how thick the gravel was. When I applied the brakes it was like a rug being pulled out from under me. Was not moving fast before I tried stopping.
No time to react. Fell backwards and bounced the back of my helmet off the road. Got up, checked my bike, picked the gravel out of my arm and leg, and rode home. 30 minute ride.
Had a shower, felt nauseous, and wanted to sit down. I had a concussion. Where would I be today without that helmet? Probably working overtime at the drool factory, at best.
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But it's still my choice.
And, say, as opposed to smoking cigarettes, taking drugs, drinking alcohol? All risky behaviours. Do you bear the same criticism for people who indulge in some or all of those?
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Her choice. She's an adult.
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Hence my rather limited support for underage safety devices.
No, they're not. However, the first is far more important.