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Hey Guys!!! I dare you to find a better auction than this….. Starts Tomorrow.

Lot 107 is a Yasusa tilting table. If it is the 6X5 (my best guess) it is worth about 1100$ new and is in almost unused condition.

Lot 147 Interrapid tenths indicator -made in Switzerland- I'm pretty sure they are no longer made in Europe since the buyout. If I didn't have one already, I'd find a way to bid on it... It should go fro around 250-300$, and that a good price.

PS....can anyone identify the jig borer? not a Linley or Moore afaik....who else made little benchtop models?


I couldn't find a jig bore in that mess - what lot number?
 
I couldn't find a jig bore in that mess - what lot number?

#3.

in the photos is an Altas Press tag but that's an error (just add it to the mountain of them)....those label pics belong with the mill

in Switzerland- I'm pretty sure they are no longer made in Europe since the buyout. I

I hadn't heard that, can you elaborate? According to wikipedia the buyout happened twenty years ago. Everyone I see is "Swiss Made" and retailers still advertise them as such. Has there been a new buyout?

As an offshoot of watch work, I've done a fair bit of indicator servicing, and do view Tesa Indicators (B&S, Interapid, Compaq Alina and maybe others) as the best. They are just so well built. Maybe Federal approaches that, Mahr, maybe Helios, Mitutoyo...all well made....but Tesa remains the acme imo
 
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view Tesa Indicators (B&S, Interapid, Compaq Alina and maybe others) as the best

I agree with you on that... I heard that most of the innards of the 'newer' Interrapid indicators are made offshore nowadays. It was a Swiss gentlemen in the watch trade that bemoaning the fate of Interrapid, FWIW... seems to be a commonly held idea that the older Interrapid indicators are better quality - that is, Pre-1985 or so.

I woul;d love to hear your take on this!

I still consider my Interrapid to be the top dog, but I like my affordable Mit ones too.
 
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I just bid on the one (interapid) in the auction...... along with a few other “goodies”. We’ll see how this all goes. Do any of you guys know where or who in Canada services dial indicators? Or who can calibrate them?

Cheers all.

Derek


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This shop appears to be located in a basement. Pickup is the Friday/Saturday after the sale. The auctioneer running this is a hot mess.

What are the chances that pickup will go smoothly?

Craig
 
The abysmal pictures and descriptions of the lots may lead to fights at pickup! For example, lot 31 just says "Massive Assortment Of Machinist Tools, One Of A Kind Score for Any Handy man or womab". The first picture shows:

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The subsequent detailed pictures only show stuff mounted on the wall. But if one wanted to be a prick, it could be argued that the contents on and under the benches (and the benches themselves) must all be part of the lot. Even the guy in the baseball cap crouching in the corner must come with it!

All the auctioneer had to do was add a few words about what is and is not included in the lot. It should not be the buyer's responsibility to go see that the grinders, arbour presses and whatnot are offered in separate lots.

Bad auctioneer, BAD.

Craig
PS, What's a "womab"?
 
What I found most disturbing is that nobody has gone in and made the lots such that they are likely to bring their actual value. Parts of dividing heads are put in separate lots. Items that should be sold separately are being sold in lots yet a single wrench appears as it’s own lot! This is a textbook example of 2 points….

1. If you are getting on in life, or hell, for that matter, any of us should do this…. Do your estate the courtesy of at least photographing your stuff with the accessories and pieces that go with it; it’ll help them in the long run and you won’t have to do any “rolling over” in your grave as you watch people get your shop equipment for a “song”.

2. Hire an auctioneer who knows the material….. these folks do not!

I’m reminded of something I read that I think is illistrated here.

“I had the worst nightmare ever!! I dreamt that I died, and my wife sold the contents of my shop for what I told her I paid for it”.

Case in point!

Cheers guys; we’re all in this together.


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I just bid on the one (interapid) in the auction...... along with a few other “goodies”. We’ll see how this all goes. Do any of you guys know where or who in Canada services dial indicators? Or who can calibrate them?

Cheers all.

Derek


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Thanks for posting, Now at least I wont bid against you - Gluck on your bidding.
 
Mcgyver...... you said you’ve done so. Do you do them professionally?

I'm very much the amateur! lol I've built my shop up by doing a lot of buying and selling. It became almost sport. Anyway, the result is seeing a lot of indicators, and a lot that needed help. With an interest in watchmaking, I gives me the key tools so I started having a go at it. Dones lots of indicators., DTI's, bore gauges, indicating mics...common themes start to develop. I by no means would go toe to toe with a pro, but compared to a watch they are quite simple and so far I've been able to figure it out.

There's four reasons they don't work (that I've seen)....based on my (small) sample group this is the approx. distribution.

1) grunge/oil - 92%
2) cracked jewel - 4%
3) damage from a drop (i.e. bent teeth on a rack) 3%
4) just plain old worn out 1%

1) is an easy fix, clean like you would a watch (L&R multi stage cleaning/rinsing). 2) is more of a challenge, at least economically. The jewels are many times larger than those used for watches so hard to source and seem to be $20 or so. Its often more than one that is broken so by the time you do the exchange, add in shipping etc buying the jewels (synthetic ruby, zero gem value) it usually exceeds the value of the used indicator. You could replace the jewels with bronze, but what imo is a better idea is small ball bearings. (I was doing one of these this morning and will put pics of ball bearing conversion below ) 3) & 4 are also almost always toss-worthy, not worth the cost of the parts.

I also feel its rare that they are worth sending anywhere for repair. In TO you can almost always find a Mitutoyo for 80 -$100 and an Interapid for 150 - 200....hard to mail it somewhere, have a technician service it and get it back for less than that.

Oil. In my opinion indicators should NOT be oiled. I've not found any authoritative decree on this either way, but with some watch making knowledge/experience my logic is as follows. Oiling a watch is a demanding thing - it has to be done just so or it doesn't work. Its one the things that is easily screwed up. The reason is, the geometry of the jewel is such that surface tension will hold just the right about of oil in place. Put too much on, and the surface tension can't hold, and it all runs off. We are talking a very small amount - you need to work with a loupe to apply it. This would not work on an indicator as the jewels are huge - the surface tension isn't going to be able to hold that much oil in place.

Next point, compare the duty cycle of a watch to a indicator. 5:000:1 10,000: 1 50,000:1? many watches run for a very lone time with lubricant, I don't think an indicator needs the watch does given comparatively minuscule duty cycle

Finally, every mechanical watch should be serviced (completely disassembled, cleaned and re oiled) every 3-5 years. Despite being watertight, dust and crap somehow gets in and oils dry out. That's what's needed if lubrication is used (and the duty cycle of watch dictates it must). In fact, if you don't, get in a clean, remove grunge and paste like dried oil, you might argue your watch would be better if run dry. When was the last time anyone took an indicator in for cleaning and oiling.... and on a regular basis? But you would have to if it was lubricated and you expected it to perform for a long time.

Just some random indicator thoughts....here's some shots of a ball bearing conversion...I'm going way off topic, but how much more can flog the auctioneer?(yeah, and it still wouldn't be enough! lol

a cracked jewel

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size comparison - cracked jewel, watch sized jewel (and a largish one at that) and a 3mm x 1mm ball bearing. the exacto blade is just for scale

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making a bunch of 'chatons', the brass holders for the bearing that get pressed into the plate

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when you get a turret set up working....make a lot of them!

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pressing the bearing and chaton in

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facing it flush - a bit of rodico is stuffed in the bearing to keep chips out of it

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bearing installed and new life for the indicator

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It was a Swiss gentlemen in the watch trade that bemoaning the fate of Interrapid, FWIW... seems to be a commonly held idea that the older Interrapid indicators are better quality - that is, Pre-1985 or so.

I woul;d love to hear your take on this!

I haven't been inside enough of them to claim to be able to spot a difference or not so don't really have anything material to add, just speculation. I'd want to hear it from a few credible sources....one watch type, maybe was misinformed, maybe bitter about the Swedes owning it? Who knows, but I think they'd be entirely risking the brand if wasn't Swiss made (and its stamped on it and all the retailers say its Swiss).

They've got such a high brand cache and can charge such a premium for it, it would seem a very risky thing to be claiming "Swiss Made" if the guts were not. Then again, that hardly meanrs mistakes in business aren't made regularly
 
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Thanks Mcgyver!!! Awesome write-up! I’ll follow the points that you have laid out and see if I can get a couple of the bad ones going!


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Julius was a prolific maker, even when he was nearly blind his workmanship was superb.
Gerrit

I would have guessed as much. I saw reference to model engineering club but don't know of the fellow. Would be nice to see his work. The shop contains some first class equipment, much of it now quite rare even in model engineering circles. I would venture to say most tools were used to make specialized things but also well taken care of. Sadly, I've seen this parallel story play out so many times. Firsthand with my dad when he had to leave his home. Someone has a passion, they acquire the 'stuff' that goes along with it. Age/medical/mortality issues arise. Sometimes suddenly or over time. Then when sh*t hits the fan, things just need to be 'dealt with'. Often quickly due to related circumstances & often by people who don't have the knowledge or ability or vested interest. My dad was fortunate in that I shared the same hobby so at least had a head start. Some things could be turned into funds that he could use in next phase of his life. Other things just didn't lend itself to selling, so next best is gifting to individuals who would appreciate it. And that can be a dicey, emotional endeavor. And even so there can be leftovers that still need to be dealt with.

Nobody wants to think morbid thoughts about their remaining time, but its maybe similar to having a will or life insurance or whatever. If one has a 'plan' or even stated intent, then there is better chance that can fulfilled. In the absence of that, control is lost & usually the outcome isn't optimal. Especially in our hobby where machines are involved. They are big & heavy & 99% of people probably don't know what they are about or how to properly move them.

I agree with the comments about auction/estate sale tricks like breaking up items, lip-sticking etc. But their vested interest is maximizing their value, not paying tribute to the prior owner or making life easier for the purchasers. I heard about a similar situation in RC hobby. The fellow passed away, the elderly wife therefore had to move, she had no idea of value or purpose other than it occupied the basement & garage & she had many other things on her plate including grief. The clock was ticking, she found a <cough> specialist that promised maximum dollars & the place vacated by date x. Fortunately a bunch of guys who knew him came in, figured out the game, bought the stuff of value & straightened out the what belonged to what thing outside of the auction environment. But that's probably not a common, happy outcome, especially with online dispositions.
 
I'm about 35 minutes away in Oakville. If somebody wants some small stuff, I can help out. I don't have space to pick up larger machines, etc, nor a truck to haul stuff. You would have to clear it with the auctioneer to get permission for me to take away your items!

Craig
 
Julius was a prolific maker, even when he was nearly blind his workmanship was superb.

I know the TSME guys but not so much the Hamilton crew. As his treasures are poured over in a public fashion (an auction may be inevitable, but always feels a bit crass) I became interested and did some searching. Here's his obit and and interesting article about him....I feel the obit lacks in that there is no mention of his hobby....few (other than guys like us) will appreciate how important it was to him.

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/thespec/obituary.aspx?n=julius-gombos&pid=198414305&fhid=11256

https://www.thespec.com/entertainment/2008/01/24/hungarian-exodus.html
 
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