HAAS Chip Auger -> Was Slicing errors...?

[Janger]

3D printing some test auger parts.

@Tom O I have one of those PA gear down motors - I'll look into trying it.
@historicalarms Thanks so much for the offer on the flighting - 7" is just not going to fit or I'd be up there today.

Thanks for all the suggestions everyone.

 

[Hruul]

I wonder if one of these motors would work it's 12v and 60 rpm or variable speed with a pulse width thingamajig, even at a 2-1 ratio it would be 30 rpm.View attachment 9557

This looks like an electric window motor out of a car.

 

[Janger]

This looks like an electric window motor out of a car.

Yes I believe that is what it is.

 

[Janger]

Bosch motor spec sheet. The motor I have from PA turns out to be a seat motor.

 

[Tom O]

My concern would be what the life cycle would be plastic verses metal chips. I'm bouncing around a idea for individual paddles welded to the shaft. They could be fitted before hand by sliding them into say a 2 foot piece of 4 inch inside dia tubing. If you go into CAD loading a square say 12X12 placing it on the pitch angle then a 4" dia and another for shaft size. Do a extrude cut on the shaft and the 4"+ material you can cut parts to suit/ shape unused contact areas.
What I envision is sliding onto the shaft being at say 7 pitch the elongated hole sets pitch angle weld it and done. Sliding it through tubing will show any high spots.

 

[Tom O]

For those that thought say whaat here’s a better explanation.
A plate is placed on the pitch angle and the axle portion is cut away.



now the body gets split at 4 inch dia or whatever giving you the auger blade.


then you can modify the blade if you wish.


because the center hole is elongated it helps with fitting on the shaft.
The only thing I’d watch is in cad it cuts on a angle but machining the shaft would be offset a hair as most cuts are at 90 degrees.

 

[Janger]

I'm trying to wrap my head around this Tom... so once you have the disc cut out with the nicely elongated shaped center hole... then what?

 

[Tom O]

Each piece should represent a segment of the auger pitch included for a given diameter. The elongated hole is just for positioning on the shaft & welding in place.

 

[YYCHM]

Adapt a small ice auger?

 

[Tom O]

I'm going to have to try making one out of cardboard or something by cutting the elongated hole and mounting on the shaft between centers then rotate it while scribing a pencil line at the wanted radius with a height gauge.

 

[Johnwa]

Looking at the picture Tom posted, message 13, I think it is time for @Janger to take up blacksmithing.

 

[Bofobo]

Yeah I remember the haas at our shop has quite a bit of beef to push those chips. That would be quite the forge job! may need a couple assistance for that

 

[Janger]

I was reading the people making flighting have a rolling mill wheel adjusted to press some flat bar to make the outside edge more compressed to make it longer. This is why it wraps around the shaft. I can imagine it curling into a spiral as it emerges from the rolling mill.

@Johnwa Yup blacksmithing I'd like that.

@Tom O is the auger in your machine a solid bar? Or hollow square tube?

 

[Janger]

Russian company making a flighting manufacturing machine. The bit where they actually make some flighting is really short - like 1s

 

[Janger]

So the previous machine uses very thick plates and makes the auger one thread pitch segment at a time from a thick circular blank.

This one below you put a strip of material in and it compresses the outside edge and curls it all in one continuous form. Machine weighs 7 tons and has two BIG motors - I would guess those motors are more than 5HP each?

 

[Janger]

And at the other end of the spectrum here is an ingenious use of a bottle jack to do the same thing. It's a little slower and cruder but obviously works. Watch Mohammed and his hilarious special effects.

 

[Janger]

Russian guys doing the same thing. So many people around the world working on approaches to this problem - it's amazing.


from google translate:
the device allows you to expand the screw blanks for screw piles and drills with a diameter of 50 mm to 800 mm (any screws in the range of these values), max. pitch of a turn up to 450 cm. from steel with a thickness of 2 mm to 10 mm, the direction of rotation is clockwise and counterclockwise.

 

[Janger]

High end swedish equipment. This is how the auger in Tom's machine must be made. The vid is a bit sales oriented but worth watching. Does anybody know if there is a machine like this in Calgary? @Alexander have you seen anything like this in any of your work travels?

 

[Tom O]

That Russian segment way is basically what I am proposing but using 1/2 of the disc.

 

[Tom O]

Well I jury rigged a test up with some pipe, tape, and mdf it should be fairly close to 4 inches i didn't round out the holes just square cuts for the shaft.
Here's a short vid you might want to turn the volume down!
PS That's the 5 inch chuck I got fron Perry.