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Ammco 6" Metal shaper

Continuing on.

I removed all of the masking from the painted parts. Then ran a tap through all of the threaded holes on the castings. Afterward used compressed air to blow out all of the tapped holes and castings. I also cleaned all of the bearing surfaces as well. Assembly now starts I am using a bit of GP grease on the bearings for assembly. The main drive shaft and pinion have been cleaned but I suspect that this shaft has been replaced. I have a theory. More on this latter.

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TonyK.

Grimsby Ontario Canada.
 
MashingMetal said:
@TonyK , The motor mine came with was an 1725rpm 1/2hp, I was lucky to find a good Leeson 1140 3/4hp which was closer to the factory motor, you can only go so small on the motor pulley and you can change the other part of the workings of the shaper. I know I could have gone down the VFD route, maybe one day.
I know it’s a bit tricky dialing in tooling.
I have on the list to make a Shaper Tee. Made famous by this guy.

I was lucky to pickup one of these holders

They are a fun little machine. I will be using it next for an internal keyway for an L1 lathe faceplate. The previous owner made a bar that fits into the clapper.

Thanks for all the details on your machine re build.

Regards Mark
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Thanks Mark, good information here. I forgot about a 6 pole motor for 1140 RPM ( 1200 synchronous) Yes those are hard to come by. As for other tooling if I don't make it I will keep my eye out on Ebay and see what comes up.

TonyK.

Grimsby Ontario Canada.
 
@TonyK Looks like your machine is coming along nicely!
You must be anxious to make some chips! I am still very much learning but enjoying it.
I also have an 1140 RPM motor on my dill press. It was an option on the Rockwell’s with the viable speed drive pulleys. I just picked up a two speed low RPM motor from a industrial garage door and that is perfect too for my littler Startrite press. The capacitor is huge I am not sure how it’s made inside please see below.



TonyK said:
Thanks Mark, good information here. I forgot about a 6 pole motor for 1140 RPM ( 1200 synchronous) Yes those are hard to come by. As for other tooling if I don't make it I will keep my eye out on Ebay and see what comes up.

TonyK.

Grimsby Ontario
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Before you bolt too much together, I recommend verifying that the ways are parallel to the base. And perpendicular to the knee dovetail. Harder to do once it is assembled.
Not sure if you are thinking of uppping the HP from 1/3 to 1/2 or more, I would strongly recommend against that. The fiber main gear will not take that level of power.
 
gerritv said:
Before you bolt too much together, I recommend verifying that the ways are parallel to the base. And perpendicular to the knee dovetail. Harder to do once it is assembled.
Not sure if you are thinking of uppping the HP from 1/3 to 1/2 or more, I would strongly recommend against that. The fiber main gear will not take that level of power.
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I am going to use the 1/3 HP motor that has been supplied with the shaper for now. I wanted this machine for making internal keyways as I am limited with my milling machine. I never thought of checking how true the machine is. My TOS FN20 is very accurate and I normally use it should a part demand close tolerance to be met.

Thanks for the comments.


TonyK.

Grimsby Ontario Canada.
 
MashingMetal said:
@TonyK Looks like your machine is coming along nicely!
You must be anxious to make some chips! I am still very much learning but enjoying it.
I also have an 1140 RPM motor on my dill press. It was an option on the Rockwell’s with the viable speed drive pulleys. I just picked up a two speed low RPM motor from a industrial garage door and that is perfect too for my littler Startrite press. The capacitor is huge I am not sure how it’s made inside please see below.
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Mark looking at the name plate 1625 RPM expresses a lot of slip from a 4 poll motor. The Lower RPM rating is for 50HZ. North America uses a 60Hz Grid. I know of a wrecking yard out Cayuga way that has a lot of used stuff brought in from demolition, some good finds and even better prices. I may take a drive out there when the weather gets better.


TonyK.

Grimsby Ontario Canada.
 
Does anyone have an Atlas 7b? If so could you post some shots of the belt drive for me. In 2012 without looking too much at the machine ( I thought it was an Atlas not an Ammco) I purchased this jack shaft and base on ebay thinking it was for my machine. Since I have nothing I want to use it for my Ammco, I will be going to Metal Super Market on Monday to pick up some 1/2" flat stock to make an independent motor base and belt drive. Pictures of the Atlas drive would be a big help. I have some pictures from the internet, but at times the guard is on and I can't see all of the parts.

Thanks.

TonyK

Grimsby Ontario Canada
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Thanks, the exploded is good, but I cannot figure out a left or right side view to see the placement and how it is all laid out.

TonyK.
Grimsby Ontario Canada
 
Thank you. That now puts it all in perspective, I know now what I need to get to build it. The exploded drawing makes sense.

TonyK.

Grimsby Ontario Canada.
 
At this point of the restoration I made a template for the base before it was bolted to the body of the shaper. I am coming to a conclusion that the damage to the clapper box was not from a crash hitting the work, but rather the machine fell over as several parts that I have been cleaning have been brazed and fitted. The X screw is not original nor is the ratchet to drive the screw. I cannot find the table Z Axis screw. I kind of remember seeing it, but it too was kind of rigged affair so I bit the bullet so to speak and purchased a brass 5/8" x 11 pitch length of threaded rod from R.E Glover Hamilton. I asked for 12" but had to take 36", $122 CND that kind of hurt. I worked on cleaning the tool post slide, thread and handle as both were kind of rusty. No pitting but needed a buff with a rubber diamond wheel in my dremel. Some small parts that I forgot to take out when I was sandblasting and it is not worth setting up so I chemical stripped, sanded, primed and top coated these parts with a small brush. Pulleys and Oil Cups came in yesterday from China. The oil cups have metric threads, I will turn some threaded sleeves for each one on the shaper to be able to press fit into the existing oiling holes. The step pulleys are nice but do not have a set screw so I will be drilling an tapping each of the 2 step pulleys.

TonyK.

Grimsby Ontario Canada
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Here is what I wrote on First Mill post: I purchased an on sale BusyBee 4" Kurt style vise for a drill press vise. It was too big and awkward , so I put it aside. When I got a little 6" shaper, I saw a use for it. The vise was a piece of garbage poorly made on a shaper no less. The moveable jaw was pushed by a metal ball with a angle cut. I guess that's the Kurt style part. I worked on the vise, it's now acceptable for the shaper. I have a good Japanese conventional 5" vise for the mill. After that BB vise, I appreciate the precision.

A shaper requires very little power, they move slow with mass. My little 6" has a 1/4hp and it's more than adequate . Shaper vises are specialized. They are lower in profile. Since the force is directed outward, the stationary jaw on the out side instead of on the inside like a milling machine vise. But the handle is on the outside.

My shaper is shop built project. I'm completing what was started in the'50s.

Shapers are machine tools from the turn of the last century, so early 20th century books have the most details on their use.

That shiny part of the base is for the skate. Shapers put a fair bit of stress on the box, so they have a sliding support .
 
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