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Ammco 6" Metal shaper

Thanks for the background story Tony. You were lucky. That is a beautiful kitchen. Every time your wife is in the kitchen, she can see what you made for her. My oldest son and I can carry on a conversation by just using the odd word. We think that much alike. He also shares my love of woodworking and fixing mechanical things.

What sports cars ? I grew up around Vancouver, English sports cars were much more common in my crowd than expensive muscle cars.
 
@TonyK & @Dan Dubeau

If either of you ever want a mature wild black cherry tree, I have lots. I always have some that are starting to bleed out before dying. You would be welcome to take a few. Just need a trailer to take out what you need. I can even help you load them with my loader tractor.

The alternative is to let them fall and rot - which they do real fast.
 
Generous offer John, and I might take you up on that later this year. No use right now, But I'm really hoping to have my mill operational by the fall, so I will reach out once that's working. Over due for a visit down that way.....I just don't want to take something I wont use and have it rot when someone else would be better suited for it. We used to paint the ends of logs with anchorseal if we couldn't get to them right away, but that gets pricey.....Worth it for a high value tree though. Much better to just fell it, mill it, stack it in the shortest time possible though.
 
@TonyK & @Dan Dubeau

Lest I forget to say, there is a risk with my trees. Lots of farm boys know how to swing a hammer to pound nails for tree forts and deer stands. I think that's not a huge risk, but it's important to make sure you guys know. Old nails can destroy a good mill saw. One of my brothers got one of my trees and then couldn't find anyone to mill it for him. Ended up doing it himself with no damage to his chainsaw milling setup. But still its something you have to know.
 
Good heads up. Generally a good idea to check anything that grew up in proximity to people with a metal detector for hardware before milling. Or even with a chainsaw. A lot of guys won't touch yard trees for that reason. I've wrecked a couple chains around here before.....My poultry coop area is a mess of cedar the previous owners used for wrapping fence and wire around. Not looking forward to thinning that out this year for the new coop build.....

When we milled up the big maple I felled in Dad's backyard a few years ago we didn't hit anything, and I know for a FACT that there were a few pounds of nails pounded into that one....:D It's just like trying to hit a golfball out of/through the trees. They're 90% air, but there's a 85% chance you're going to hit it anyway..... The odds of hitting steel in a tree when cutting exponentially increase the newer the chain is too......
 
Thanks for the background story Tony. You were lucky. That is a beautiful kitchen. Every time your wife is in the kitchen, she can see what you made for her. My oldest son and I can carry on a conversation by just using the odd word. We think that much alike. He also shares my love of woodworking and fixing mechanical things.

What sports cars ? I grew up around Vancouver, English sports cars were much more common in my crowd than expensive muscle cars.
Oh, now I have stepped in something. What kind of Sports Cars, well Italian. Now before you get upon that lofty cloud of Ferrari, Lamborghini or Maserati, I ask you to jump off of that cloud and seek the basement entry of Italian sports car, yes Fiat. I have 3 Fiat X1/9's one I purchased new in 1979, and 87 that I transplanted the Fiat 500 Abarth turbo charged engine into and a 1978 not plated but allow the kids 12 years and older to learn how to drive a standard transmission in the back yard when we have a BBQ. Sorry for the disapointment, we all have flaws.

TonyK.

Grimsby Ontario Canada.
 
@TonyK & @Dan Dubeau

If either of you ever want a mature wild black cherry tree, I have lots. I always have some that are starting to bleed out before dying. You would be welcome to take a few. Just need a trailer to take out what you need. I can even help you load them with my loader tractor.

The alternative is to let them fall and rot - which they do real fast.
Well thank you for the offer, I maybe interested it getting some logs. I have a low boy car trailer to transport my sports car and restored 1953 John Deere Model 40 crawler. So transporting isn't a big deal. Fence line trees normally are cut at 60" above grade because of the amount of hardware nailed into them. Sawyers don't want to touch them and if insisted, the cost of the saw blade is on me. Cherry also has sap wood, which is not normally used exposed as it is light coloured wood that resembles soft maple grain wood. Then there is the pith which well isn't worth anything either. However I have in the past had a cherry log quarter sawn and that expresses the true beauty of cherry highlighting rays that would normally not be seen. What kind of diameter of trees do you have? And you are correct about it rotting fast once dead, cherry was never meant to be in the elements once dead.

TonyK.

Grimsby Ontario Canada.
 
Good heads up. Generally a good idea to check anything that grew up in proximity to people with a metal detector for hardware before milling. Or even with a chainsaw. A lot of guys won't touch yard trees for that reason. I've wrecked a couple chains around here before.....My poultry coop area is a mess of cedar the previous owners used for wrapping fence and wire around. Not looking forward to thinning that out this year for the new coop build.....

When we milled up the big maple I felled in Dad's backyard a few years ago we didn't hit anything, and I know for a FACT that there were a few pounds of nails pounded into that one....:D It's just like trying to hit a golfball out of/through the trees. They're 90% air, but there's a 85% chance you're going to hit it anyway..... The odds of hitting steel in a tree when cutting exponentially increase the newer the chain is too......
Lost the picture in a computer crash but it was a perfectly sectioned washing line pulley. The guy that owned the log made a book ended coffee table out of the two boards. Really looked cool. No blade damage either as the steel screw was still buried by maybe an 1/8" in the one board, there was a little staining from it bleeding through.
 
Sorry for the departure, back to making a side cover for the Ammco shaper. The heat. To the left a bucket of anthracite coal, takes a bit to get it going but once fired you can cut a tree limb and put it on top and it will burn. Next a spreader hook to lift the melting bucket or crucible ( not really) and hanging on the wall another single hook to tilt the bucket for the pour and finally a brick lined stove. That too came from the fellow that sold me the lathes on condition if he wanted it back he could have it. Seeing that he died in 2015 that deal has expired.
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A small bucket of scrap aluminum. Part of it is a cylinder head cut up which tend to be 7000 series aluminum, but for this project it really doesn't matter.
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Starting of the melt.
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At this point it is really better to have 2 people working as one can ram sand while the other tends to the fire. It is easy to get distracted and the fire dies down and it takes time to melt the aluminum.

I was having difficulty parting the molds without collapse, (3rd attempt) and because the flask was so big for the part ramming the sand just takes time. I decided to do a bit of a repair and move on as the aluminum was now ready to pour.

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The short section of steel pipe is the funnel for the pour. I ram it up and then push that length of .010" wall stainless steel tube through the sand to make the gate or sprue. It is faster then trying to ram sand around a length of dowel. ( It is documented better in the video I took, still pending)
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The casting floor. A sheet of metal is laid down on the concrete to prevent any molten aluminum should it leak from the pour will cause the concrete to spault and explode. ( not good) Fire bricks are used to set the melting pot on since the bottom is red hot and another section of metal pipe is used to pour the left over aluminum into an ingot. Aluminum, will shrink 2% from poured and will slide out of the pipe when cold without any effort.
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Digging out the part. As long as the part is left to cool, smoke is not an issue, it is the air getting to the hot sand and oil that will start to smoke. I left the part for 4 hours and dug it out.
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Here is the part, not my best work, a bit porous, I should have baked the sand that was rammed against the pattern a bit to dry out any moisture in the sand. The part is usable. Since it is not a structural part, a bit of bondo will make it look good.
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A bit of clean up with a rotary burr and I was ready for a test fit. Yes there was a bit of interference with the stroke adjusting nut to be covered in the next post.
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I will fill the bad spots with some bondo. I have done better casting than this. Been awhile.
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More to come, shower time.

TonyK.

Grimsby Ontario Canada.
 
Awesome! It's certainly sufficient to do its job as-is. As for a few small blemishes, as you say, a little bondo and paint and it'll look perfect. I won't tell anyone :)

Jeff
 
What kind of diameter of trees do you have?

Wow! Someone who knows about cherry trees!

Mine are all old growth original Carolinian forest trees. The diameters go from small to maybe 3 ft. The average tree is probably 2ft. Typically, they might be 35 ft high with a straight trunk that might be 20 ft long. All just WAGs. I don't have any fence row cherry trees. I do have fence row walnuts, oaks, maple, and hickory though.

Some are rotten inside, a few are perfect. I don't cut trees down unless they are ready to die - so there is that. I am a tree hugger but I'm not a tree hugger if that makes sense. I just love my trees. Especially the walnuts and the hickory. The cherry tree my brother took had a solid core about 9 ft up where we sectioned it. I would not have said the core was useless. I'll have to ask him about that. He got 3 good 9ft logs out of that tree.
 
Nothing wrong with Fiats, they were certainly much more reliable than the MGs and Triumphs of that era.. I had '74 124 Sports Coupe . Well not an Alfa Junior , it was pretty close. The previous owner had pulled the pollution controls off. It had 98hp at the rear wells., not bad on a 2,200# car. The iron worms got her.

All this shaper talk has me wanting to get back on my shaper project. I think mine was built in a sawmill maintenance shop in the '50s.
 
Buddy of mine has a Plymouth with rusted out foot wells on passenger side...it was our designate "driving around town with a drink" car...when the local constabulary stopped us we would just roll the carpet back & put our bottles on the pavement while he flashed his flash-lite around, worked very well for a while until it didnt, one of the bottles fell over and rolled out from underneath the car.
 
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