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Workplace Safety at work and in the home shop

Oh, a recent addition to both the work freezer and my home one: Skin glue.

Coworker asked if we had any, as he had a shallow cut on his hand, and was going rock climbing that evening.
I've certainly used normal super glue on cuts, the skin glue type is just fine tuned (supposed to be less of an irritant to tissue).

Looked up the real stuff. Yikes! Pricey, ~$80+

But the veterinary stuff... half price! :)
 
Went hiking w/ the family on a trip to a destination in the Crowsnest Pass around 15 years ago. Everyone had to have their own hiking stick, & the youngest ended up w/ one a bit long for her. She ended up jamming it into the bottom of her jaw, leaving a shallow cut about 3/4" long. I pulled my first-aid kit out, broke out the steri-strips, cleaned the wound, put two on & we finished the hike.

Pulled into the hospital afterwards to check if stitches were required, the triage nurse asked me, "You carry steri-strips in your first-aid kit?" Doesn't everybody? I replied in the affirmative, she said that because of them no stitches would be required & gave us the green light. Every time we drive by our daughter still smiles & recalls the popsicle they gave her on the way out.
 
I would say as I get older Ive started to work safer. Alot more regards to lung health and eyes. I still do stuff that many would consider unsafe sometimes it's hard to get away from it. Not that it couldn't be done safety some times it's more convenient to go higher risk but even so depending on what it is the added risk maybe next to nothing.

I kinda look at it like a prostate exam. I would rather have some risk to keep it a quick in and out. Sometimes doing it safely turns a 10 seconds task into couple minutes. Which isn't what I want for a prostate examine.

I strapped my shop roof this summer and started with tieing off and all that Jazz but made things take much longer having to manage lines and stuff getting snagged every time you moved. I feel the chance of falling due to getting hung up went way up. Mind you atleast I wouldn't hit the ground I guess but at the 15-20' range isn't were fall arrest shines. So I ended up giving up on safety lines and air tools and just opted to hand nail all the strapping. I also just kept 3 points of contact crawling around the roof. Even tried to do everything in a flow were I had to do less moving around too help minimize chance of falling as your most likely to fall moving around then stationary.

I did tie off my spacer block because I kept loosing the damn thing.
 

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Went hiking w/ the family on a trip to a destination in the Crowsnest Pass around 15 years ago. Everyone had to have their own hiking stick, & the youngest ended up w/ one a bit long for her. She ended up jamming it into the bottom of her jaw, leaving a shallow cut about 3/4" long. I pulled my first-aid kit out, broke out the steri-strips, cleaned the wound, put two on & we finished the hike.

Pulled into the hospital afterwards to check if stitches were required, the triage nurse asked me, "You carry steri-strips in your first-aid kit?" Doesn't everybody? I replied in the affirmative, she said that because of them no stitches would be required & gave us the green light. Every time we drive by our daughter still smiles & recalls the popsicle they gave her on the way out.

Like that old Boy Scout moto "be prepared" and you were!
 
I wear safety glasses. I have a 20lb & a 5lb fire extinguisher in the shop, the 20 I picked up last spring at our meet. Occasionally I'll put on a face mask for grinding, sorta depends on the size of the job. I try do do as much cutting & grinding outside as possible, the little welding I do (so far) is at the open overhead door. I rarely put on hearing protection (I know, I know). Depending on what I'm cutting/sawing, I may wear a dust mask. Gloves, rarely. Sometimes while working w/ a nasty chemical I'll put nitrile gloves on.

That said, some of this safety stuff goes into the ridiculous. Started a new job a number of years back, had to take a s-load of safety modules. After blowing an afternoon on some of them (including one on ladder safety) I trundle past a two step step ladder which was used to stock top shelves. Now, everyone knows that you're not s'pose to stand on the top rung of a ladder. Fine. This company's policy was that you weren't s'pose to stand on the second rung from the top, either. In effect, rendering this two step ladder useless & against company policy.

In addition, safety policy is only as good as those administering it. Case in point: Everyone at this place, according to written company policy, was s'pose to wear safety boots. Period. Unless, of course, you got a Dr's note saying that your feet hurt wearing safety boots & you could wear whatever you wanted, sandals, sneakers, Crocs, etc.

They also put a significant emphasis on driving safety. Fine. I stop at stop signs, mirror check, shoulder check, signal, observe municipal speed limits, etc., etc., etc. anyway. No biggie. While there, I watched a number of members of the management team blow through stop signs, fail to signal at turns, text, surf & talk on their cell phones while driving, speeding, etc.

Yet, if you squealed, you'd have been toast. Rules for thee & not for me.

Yes, safety is a tough sell and there can be a lot of hypocrisy.


I think I try to look at it like school. How many times did you hear a classmate say, "when will I ever need to know this?".

You might never use the knowledge directly but you're learning how to learn. That is the main skill IMO. That's what I told my kids when they complained.:)

With safety, you might look at a work situation and wonder how to get the job done while following safety guidelines. The fact you slowed down to consider how to do it safely is already a win. I think, as others have already mentioned, slowing down to look for and recognize hazards is the main skill with safety training.
 
Safety, you might look at a work situation and wonder how to get the job done while following safety guidelines. The fact you slowed down to consider how to do it safely is already a win. I think, as others have already mentioned, slowing down to look for and recognize hazards is the main skill with safety training.
I would say actively thinking about the task your doing goes along ways in keeping you safe. Aswell as understanding the dangers of what your doing.

Like kick back on a table saw if you don't understand why it happens or that It can even happen you already at a disadvantage.
 
Great thread. I haven't heard anything about welding or soldering fume extraction, other than "I try to do it outside". That's not gonna happen much of the year around here, or maybe most places. I have finally gotten a TIG welder (which I now have to learn how to use!) and the manual mentions that Tungsten is particularly nasty. I am putting in a fan and hood and already have something like that for the electronics area.

What do people have/do?
 
Great thread. I haven't heard anything about welding or soldering fume extraction, other than "I try to do it outside". That's not gonna happen much of the year.
What do people have/do?
I use one of these when it's more then tacking https://a.co/d/1bMGA1m

I bought a big snail fan and plan on installing spiral ducting on ceiling of shop to suck all the smoke and pump it outside.

Some people buy portable fume extraction units but they can be pricey unless you can find a good deal on one at an auction.
 
My last year of working for the SK. gov, we had to take a few safety/harrassment courses. Took a few tries and some coaching from coworkers for me to pass the touchy feely anti harrassment course. I just answered the questions honestly. Guess they don't like honesty. ;)
I have a hunch that HR departments were created around us...... How the hell is a moron expected to improve if someone doesn't point out the fact that he is one.....
Life was so much simpler when we allowed to just be honest. :cool:
 
The thing that gets me more then anything is 95% of the time, these safety people on job sites have not done any actual work themselves EVER.

It’s not like there are legit electricians telling the electricians how to do stuff safely within reason, or the welders telling welders…. Most are pencil necks.

You get some 25 year old fresh university chick with a degree and a set of pronouns coming in as a “safety rep” and telling tradesmen who’ve been ticketed in the trade 10+ years how to do the job right or “safe”.

I got into a heated arguement one time when one of the like asked me for my training tickets that show I know how to do the job.

She wanted all the BS 8 hour every 3 year money grab safety tickets, and didn’t give one RIP about the Jman tickets that entitle me to go out and start my own darn business in the industry canada wide that I paid for with blood sweat tears and years.

She said those don’t mean anything. I was like are you flippin kidding me you want this dumb aerial lift ticket where the instructor played us 2 videos, fed us a donut, and gave us a test so simple a handicap squirrel could have aced it then took 300$ and shoved us out the door….

But the 6000 hours of mandatory on the job training and 1200 hours of schooling with actual hard tests that people fail at the end don’t matter?

“Safety culture” is a thorn in my craw. Big one.

It’s a flippin racket. It makes my blood boil.
 
At work there is a very high level of requirements that we have to meet. Of course we want everyone to go home without injury every single day, but it's kind of become an industry and is expensive and at times feels onerous. Again, there is lobbying of special interest groups (the training companies) to make more and more rules and requirements. Is it for safety, or revenue generation?

Of course we comply, and are rigid with with the rules, but what I've learned is a great deal of someone going home uninjured and in one piece is up to that someone. The company needs to do all they can do, but end of the day, going home with all parts attached, is a personal responsibility to yourself and coworkers and that needs to have a lot more emphasis imo. We've had our share of injuries unfortunately, with one exception (below) it's always individual error... I mean its awfully hard as a company to prevent these when people don't do what they are trained to do and instructed to do. Yes coworkers will point out things, yes management will as well and will stop work if necessary, but you can't monitor everything. Safety is the highest priority, but it feels often the emPHASis is on the wrong sylLABle

Probably the best thing we can do as a company, and it's an ongoing challenge, is to create a positive environment where people get along, help each other and watch out for each other. That and get rid of the brain dead types that you know are accidents waiting to happen. The idea being coworkers readily speak up and no one minds as everyone wants to be safe. That's the idea, not always easy to achieve.

The one exception? A big dollop of molten steel burned through a pant leg and ended up in a boot. It badly burn the workers foot. He was newer and had his boots laces up as the MOL wants. That was the problem. Apparently the welders leave their boots unlaced (against MOL rules) and hide it with the cuffs of pants or overalls so they can quickly kick the boot off in such an instance.

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what I've learned is a great deal of someone going home uninjured and in one piece is up to that someone.
This.

Years ago, I had a talk about safety with a younger coworker, after a low grade near miss (same one I shouldn’t have asked to turn off a breaker).

She was in her mid 20’s, had been part way through the millwright course at Humber College when the college strike hit (2017, looks like). She’d done their welding course before that, but had no shop experience.

I told her, give or take, ‘I will do everything I can to keep you safe. If you see an issue, raise it with anyone, and feel free to come to me about anything.

However:

I will never be closer to where you’re working than you are. You will almost always have the best perspective on whether what you’re doing is safe. So I need you to think things through.’

She looked shocked. And I get it, coming straight out of college, with lots of great sounding safety talk.

But it’s true.

(It was probably also stupid for me to say that, and she could have pursued it legally, etc.)
 
Great thread. I haven't heard anything about welding or soldering fume extraction, other than "I try to do it outside". That's not gonna happen much of the year around here, or maybe most places. I have finally gotten a TIG welder (which I now have to learn how to use!) and the manual mentions that Tungsten is particularly nasty. I am putting in a fan and hood and already have something like that for the electronics area.

What do people have/do?
I hadn’t heard anything about tungsten itself (ie, green electrodes), but thorium (red electrodes) is mildly radioactive, so the dust isn’t ideal to huff.

Tig outside isn’t really an option, as an errant breeze can blow away your shielding gas. It generates very little smoke or fume, though, so is pretty clean. Argon is heavier than air, so you could fill up a space and drown in it, but it would take some doing, outside of confined space welding.

Exceptions I know of include stainless and brass.

Welding stainless creates hexavalent chromium fume. Lots of exposure to that can lead to higher risk of lung cancer. My loose understanding is we’re talking ‘career stainless welder’, not a little here and there, but it’s not zero risk.

Welding brass (or trying to weld galvanized, which is awful with tig) creates zinc fume. Dense white smoke, distinctive smell. Immediately bad for you.

Fume extractor, with its intake closer to the work than your head, is the best. If not, a respirator, or a PAPR.

I will grudgingly concede I have done some brass work simply holding my breath, welding for a bit, moving out of the area (downward and away), inhaling, going back in. I have had metal fume fever (8 hours of brazing at my first job, ~2007) and am not eager to repeat, but also want work to go out the door.
 
WCB is there so companies don't get sued . Look up the history ! I didn't put much trust in them. Or companies for that matter, $$$. One place where I listened to the warnings, was from my fellow millwrights .It a small world, it was surprising how often you would run in the same guys. "Too much lead and the lead goes out of your pencil " " Aluminum boat welders don't last much past 35"
 
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