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PensFan1979

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Good evening. This is my first post here. My father passed away in April of this year and left me all of his tools. He has a 12” x 36” king industrial metal lathe and drill press. I don’t know much about them and wondering what the value would be if I were to sell them and where to sell them. I took these pictures today. I see the lathe is $5,800 Canadian new. Just don’t want to get taken for a ride. Thank you.
 

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Really depends where your located and how long you want to wait on top of how much effort you want to put into selling each individual item.

Ideally you would sell things as a packages eg. Lathe stuff with lathe and mill stuff with mill but you won't get as much for everything if you didn't price out everything individually but less hassle.

Machinist stuff can be hard to deal with cause everything has value technically but may not have a market (odd ball specialty stuff) but from your pictures shouldnt be anything really to worry about pretty hobby level stuff.

Some machinist stuff stuff has high purchase price but terrible resale price.

You should have any issue selling what you have but really depends on how fast you want it gone and your area.

In my area (interior okanagan) the lathe would sell within the week with no tooling for around 2500$ price goes up with tooling and accessories but it may take tad longer to sell as not everyone wants to buy lathe with everything off to batt but I would say it helps more then it hurts.

It would help to post your general location as stuff in Ontario may sell for less or take longer at a given price.

If you want you can reach out in DM and I can possibly assist you in organizing stuff to sell in lots (which I recommend selling in lots vs pricing out everything and trying too sell every individual item.)
 
If you wanted to try and sell all the small stuff separated from the big stuff be prepared to sit on some of it for a while depending what it is and how it's priced.

I would recommend looking up stuff on eBay and finding the mid range of that item and price it around 70% of eBay's mid range price not shipped and start there then drop the price as time goes if there isn't any interest on that item I would say be open to offers and possible having to ship the item

if you want people to pick up only you may have to wait longer to sell some stuff.

If that item isn't selling on eBay for months for a "low" price then you may have a hard time ever selling it locally As eBay is a worldwide market so if it's priced reasonable it should sell fairly fast. some stuff you may never sell locally as there just might not be a market for that item in "insert local location" but maybe be a big market for that item in the Yukon lol.

Anyways wish you luck and your not wrong about seeking help before attempting to sell your father's tools as there is some people out there that would love to miss lead you for a profit.

There may even be some local members near you who may help you organize aswell or even buy stuff from you. I would just be careful about having some one come in and cream the crop and leave you with the stuff that doesn't sell. Unfortunately I had to help a lady who kinda had that happen to her when her husband passed.

But it really depends on your flexibility on if your gonna have easy time or not but I would say if you don't know ask may keep you from getting stuck with bunch of consumables that are basically valueless without the holders or similar.

yata yata probly can spend a lot longer on this topic lol.
 
Really depends where your located and how long you want to wait on top of how much effort you want to put into selling each individual item.

Ideally you would sell things as a packages eg. Lathe stuff with lathe and mill stuff with mill but you won't get as much for everything if you didn't price out everything individually but less hassle.

Machinist stuff can be hard to deal with cause everything has value technically but may not have a market (odd ball specialty stuff) but from your pictures shouldnt be anything really to worry about pretty hobby level stuff.

Some machinist stuff stuff has high purchase price but terrible resale price.

You should have any issue selling what you have but really depends on how fast you want it gone and your area.

In my area (interior okanagan) the lathe would sell within the week with no tooling for around 2500$ price goes up with tooling and accessories but it may take tad longer to sell as not everyone wants to buy lathe with everything off to batt but I would say it helps more then it hurts.

It would help to post your general location as stuff in Ontario may sell for less or take longer at a given price.

If you want you can reach out in DM and I can possibly assist you in organizing stuff to sell in lots (which I recommend selling in lots vs pricing out everything and trying too sell every individual item.)

If you wanted to try and sell all the small stuff separated from the big stuff be prepared to sit on some of it for a while depending what it is and how it's priced.

I would recommend looking up stuff on eBay and finding the mid range of that item and price it around 70% of eBay's mid range price not shipped and start there then drop the price as time goes if there isn't any interest on that item I would say be open to offers and possible having to ship the item

if you want people to pick up only you may have to wait longer to sell some stuff.

If that item isn't selling on eBay for months for a "low" price then you may have a hard time ever selling it locally As eBay is a worldwide market so if it's priced reasonable it should sell fairly fast. some stuff you may never sell locally as there just might not be a market for that item in "insert local location" but maybe be a big market for that item in the Yukon lol.

Anyways wish you luck and your not wrong about seeking help before attempting to sell your father's tools as there is some people out there that would love to miss lead you for a profit.

There may even be some local members near you who may help you organize aswell or even buy stuff from you. I would just be careful about having some one come in and cream the crop and leave you with the stuff that doesn't sell. Unfortunately I had to help a lady who kinda had that happen to her when her husband passed.

But it really depends on your flexibility on if your gonna have easy time or not but I would say if you don't know ask may keep you from getting stuck with bunch of consumables that are basically valueless without the holders or similar.

yata yata probly can spend a lot longer on this topic lol.
I would have no idea on cost for shipping if I were to put items on eBay. I completely understand that these are niche items and that I could be stuck with them for a while. I might have to jump on YouTube and learn how to use them myself.
 
I heard of a place called Lenmark. Apparently they have a branches in BC,Ontario, and Quebec. They recommend reaching out to them to selling your equipment instead of going to an auction house. Let me give them a call on Monday.
 
He built his own CNC machine about 8 years ago. Looks like a Frankenstein contraption. He got away from it and started working with aluminum because of all the sparks, he was scared it might cause a fire.

I found a little motor that he built, and it runs off compressed air. He machined all the parts on the lathe. Put the air to it and you can see the piston going up and down.
 
Condolences on the passing of your Dad. I wouldn't be in a hurry to sell, machines like that in your area are hard to find and if you have the room to keep them give it a shot. There are a few members out your way that may be able to give you a hand to get started. Pick some small project and go for it. Youtube is your friend, Blondihacks is a good one.
 
I'd give slightly different advice. You are in New Brunswick. There isn't a big market for machine tools there. So I think selling stuff separately will be a long drawn out effort. If I were in your shoes, I'd try first to see if I could enjoy following in my dads footsteps. Being a member here will be a big help. We also have a few other members your way. Post your story in the new members introductions forum so everyone can welcome you and put out a feeler for members in your area.

If you don't develop an interest or don't want to try to develop an interest, I'd sell everything for the lathe in one package and everything for the drill press in another. Main reason for that is the difficulty of finding people who want the tooling you have.

I'd expect that lathe to go for 3 to 3.5k and the tooling is prolly worth another grand but you won't likely get that. So I'd start around 4k to 4.5k for a "well tooled King KC-1236ML estate sale - can be seen running" give or take and be prepared to wait for the right buyer. You will likely need patience. You could also start higher and drop the price a bit after a few weeks. Please don't just take the first lowball offer someone throws at you. The lathe and tooling is worth the price I suggested. It's just hard to find the right buyer - especially in NB.

I'd put listings on Facebook and Kijiji. Make sure you list it properly and spell things correctly. I wouldn't bother with e-bay.

If you provide more info on the drill press we can help with that too.

One last pitch for learning to love a new hobby. Not many get to start the way you can. And it would be a really great way to honour your dad.
 
I'm in with the keep it crowd too but that's because Im bias but if you do have a interest in metal working. you would have all the right tools to get started in it and if your not hurting for cash and have the space it is a interesting hobby as you can use it too build all kinds of stuff even use it to build up other hobbies or just make/fix random little stuff around the house or for friends/family.

If you are financially fine what you have isn't worth a fortune probably amounts to taking 3 week vacation somewhere modest. so you may find some stuff is worth more to you just to have around if you do any amount of tinkering.
 
I'd give slightly different advice. You are in New Brunswick. There isn't a big market for machine tools there. So I think selling stuff separately will be a long drawn out effort. If I were in your shoes, I'd try first to see if I could enjoy following in my dads footsteps. Being a member here will be a big help. We also have a few other members your way. Post your story in the new members introductions forum so everyone can welcome you and put out a feeler for members in your area.

If you don't develop an interest or don't want to try to develop an interest, I'd sell everything for the lathe in one package and everything for the drill press in another. Main reason for that is the difficulty of finding people who want the tooling you have.

I'd expect that lathe to go for 3 to 3.5k and the tooling is prolly worth another grand but you won't likely get that. So I'd start around 4k to 4.5k for a "well tooled King KC-1236ML estate sale - can be seen running" give or take and be prepared to wait for the right buyer. You will likely need patience. You could also start higher and drop the price a bit after a few weeks. Please don't just take the first lowball offer someone throws at you. The lathe and tooling is worth the price I suggested. It's just hard to find the right buyer - especially in NB.

I'd put listings on Facebook and Kijiji. Make sure you list it properly and spell things correctly. I wouldn't bother with e-bay.

If you provide more info on the drill press we can help with that too.

One last pitch for learning to love a new hobby. Not many get to start the way you can. And it would be a really great way to honour your dad.
The Drill/Milling machine is model# PDM-30. They appeared to go for 3000 brand new. I attached a picture with this response. Is that what you’re referring to as the tools which are another grand? I really appreciate everyone’s feedback on this. I just don’t have the room for it.
 

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Condolences on your Dad's passing...
It may not hurt to reach out to your Dad's friends.
Ask if he mentioned his projects, see if they can provide insight into his passion for the hobby...
It might provide some inspiration...the next time you walk into his shop, flip the lights on and just have a seat...
Run your hands over the levers. Turn a dial or a knob. Put yourself in his shoes.
What drew him to it?
You may never learn the why. But you have the means right there n now, to learn how he found joy in what he made.
Just saying...I'm a bit soft when it comes to talk of Dads...I lost mine a while back..and there are a lot of unanswered questions...
 
The Drill/Milling machine is model# PDM-30. They appeared to go for 3000 brand new.

Well as you have clarified, the mill/drill isn't just a drill press. It's also a full blown mill capable of doing complex milling work. Easily worth 1500 as a base machine. But given the peep shot of the lathe tooling, I'd bet he had the mill tooling there to support a two grand or more ask.

I attached a picture with this response. Is that what you’re referring to as the tools which are another grand? I really appreciate everyone’s feedback on this. I just don’t have the room for it.

Yes. But it isn't just what is in the photo that made me think it's worth a grand. That stuff in the photo implies that he has a lot of other stuff hidden away in drawers or boxes. This is why you need someone experienced to visit and help you sort through things

I have taken the liberty of marking up your photo.

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A - a custom dial gauge holder and dial gauge. This really caught my eye. Your dad had to possess more than basic skills to make that. In fact, I'd bet he made all the tool holders that have brass height adjusting nuts on them.

B - might be a broken tool bit. The photo resolution isn't enough to discern what it is or was. But also could be a parting tool or an upside down threading tool. Given the eclectic nature of some of his other threading tools, I'd guess the latter.

C - An internal threading tool on a custom tool holder. Again suggesting more than basic skills. Novice machinists avoid internal threading like the plague. Someplace he has boxes of inserts and probably more tools.

D - An insert style parting tool.

E - a boring bar of some kind. I can't see the tool bit end so I can't say exactly what it is.

F - A right hand turning facing tool with square insert.

G - A hand ground HSS Turning tool. The tool shape is not book standard. He ground that from his experience not what he learned in a classroom. It's shape and grind suggests a deeper knowledge of the lathe cutting process. He probably has a lot of other HSS Tools in another hiding place.

H - A Carbide Turning tool

I - A right hand carbide insert turning facing tool

J - A mill style Carbide Boring Bar. Most machinists would not normally do this especially when he has other tools to use for that purpose. But it is interesting because it implies that he has a boring head for his mill with a set of carbide boring bars. His use of it on his lathe implies that he had a versatile skill and knowledge set.

K - an empty custom tool holder.

L - a large round insert carbide cutting tool. These are useful to provide nicer left/right turning facing finishes as well as plunge cuts. The fact that has a big one on the board suggests he might have another smaller one in a drawer. Again, a tool that most novice machinists do not have.

M - the steel wool is hiding the tool. But the steel wool also tells me that he likes to produce nice finishes.

N - Another style of left/right turning facing tool.

N - I can't see the tool.

O - Another style of parting tool.

P - A left hand turning facing tool.

Q - appears to be some kind of large boring bar. He must have a holder for it someplace.

In summary, there has to be drawer/drawers of stuff elsewhere. He has a fairly wide set of tools with some of them being used in unconventional ways. It doesn't look he bought a, set of tools, rather that each one was deliberately targeted for a specific use (a wise way to buy tooling). Everything appears to be well used. He was an active accomplished machinist capable of doing a broad range of lathe work. He would have been a good member here.

To make those tool holders, he had to have dovetail tooling for his mill and lots of good metrology equipment.

The scene presents the image of a man with many skills who died suddenly leaving behind a window into his life.

Thanks for the opportunity to visit with him in absentia.
 
Well as you have clarified, the mill/drill isn't just a drill press. It's also a full blown mill capable of doing complex milling work. Easily worth 1500 as a base machine. But given the peep shot of the lathe tooling, I'd bet he had the mill tooling there to support a two grand or more ask.



Yes. But it isn't just what is in the photo that made me think it's worth a grand. That stuff in the photo implies that he has a lot of other stuff hidden away in drawers or boxes. This is why you need someone experienced to visit and help you sort through things

I have taken the liberty of marking up your photo.

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A - a custom dial gauge holder and dial gauge. This really caught my eye. Your dad had to possess more than basic skills to make that. In fact, I'd bet he made all the tool holders that have brass height adjusting nuts on them.

B - might be a broken tool bit. The photo resolution isn't enough to discern what it is or was. But also could be a parting tool or an upside down threading tool. Given the eclectic nature of some of his other threading tools, I'd guess the latter.

C - An internal threading tool on a custom tool holder. Again suggesting more than basic skills. Novice machinists avoid internal threading like the plague. Someplace he has boxes of inserts and probably more tools.

D - An insert style parting tool.

E - a boring bar of some kind. I can't see the tool bit end so I can't say exactly what it is.

F - A right hand turning facing tool with square insert.

G - A hand ground HSS Turning tool. The tool shape is not book standard. He ground that from his experience not what he learned in a classroom. It's shape and grind suggests a deeper knowledge of the lathe cutting process. He probably has a lot of other HSS Tools in another hiding place.

H - A Carbide Turning tool

I - A right hand carbide insert turning facing tool

J - A mill style Carbide Boring Bar. Most machinists would not normally do this especially when he has other tools to use for that purpose. But it is interesting because it implies that he has a boring head for his mill with a set of carbide boring bars. His use of it on his lathe implies that he had a versatile skill and knowledge set.

K - an empty custom tool holder.

L - a large round insert carbide cutting tool. These are useful to provide nicer left/right turning facing finishes as well as plunge cuts. The fact that has a big one on the board suggests he might have another smaller one in a drawer. Again, a tool that most novice machinists do not have.

M - the steel wool is hiding the tool. But the steel wool also tells me that he likes to produce nice finishes.

N - Another style of left/right turning facing tool.

N - I can't see the tool.

O - Another style of parting tool.

P - A left hand turning facing tool.

Q - appears to be some kind of large boring bar. He must have a holder for it someplace.

In summary, there has to be drawer/drawers of stuff elsewhere. He has a fairly wide set of tools with some of them being used in unconventional ways. It doesn't look he bought a, set of tools, rather that each one was deliberately targeted for a specific use (a wise way to buy tooling). Everything appears to be well used. He was an active accomplished machinist capable of doing a broad range of lathe work. He would have been a good member here.

To make those tool holders, he had to have dovetail tooling for his mill and lots of good metrology equipment.

The scene presents the image of a man with many skills who died suddenly leaving behind a window into his life.

Thanks for the opportunity to visit with him in absentia.
This is very helpful information. I really appreciate you breaking down all of the components for me.

I listed the lathe and stand with no tools for 3300. I listed the drill/milling press for 2500

Would it be fair to ask 1200 for the tools you can see in the picture? There’s definitely more stuff there. I just don’t know what I’m looking at. I plan on going up again today to do some more research. Thanks again.
 
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Would it be fair to ask 1200 for the tools you can see in the picture?

Yes, but you won't likely get it. It will sit forever to get 500 some day maybe. Toronto might be possible, NB is the problem and the reason I suggest selling everything with the lathe. If you pull everything out of the drawers including the other chucks, faceplate, metrology, and show it all together, guys coming to buy the lathe can see what they are getting and even help pull stuff together for you. "If you can convince me that it goes with the lathe, then it goes with the lathe. Add it all up for yourself, it's easy to see that it's worth another grand."

The ad reads like this: "A $6000 machine used with love and well cared for at $3500 complete with another two grand of tooling for another grand. 4500 gets you 9000 worth of machine and tooling. Everything you need to plug it in and start machining."

Then settle for nothing less than 4 grand for everything.
 
I listed the lathe and stand with no tools for 3300. I listed the drill/milling press for 2500

It isn't that I disagree with other opinions that recommend selling separately. It's just that you being in NB suggests to me it won't work that way.

People buying that lathe won't have the tooling for it. People upgrading from a small lathe won't be able to use their old tooling. So basically, anyone buying your lathe needs the tooling. Same for the mill.

The high combined price might scare them. But that's why it needs to be presented as a deal. And it is a deal. A good one! Sell it like the deal it is!
 
This is very helpful information. I really appreciate you breaking down all of the components for me.

I listed the lathe and stand with no tools for 3300. I listed the drill/milling press for 2500

Would it be fair to ask 1200 for the tools you can see in the picture? There’s definitely more stuff there. I just don’t know what I’m looking at. I plan on going up again today to do some more research. Thanks again.
I understand the desire to want to deal with this quickly and not have it drag out over several months. But I would really recommend holding the sale until you take inventory of what is there. Understand what goes with what, and what has value.

Not sure if there is someone local who can help you out, otherwise post pictures here.

Another thing I would recommend is before you post the lathe and mill, clean it. Brush and vacuum off the chips and wipe the grime and oil off. It doesn’t need a detail strip and gone through but a basic wipe down to show that the machine is looked after. It makes a difference when people are looking.
 
It isn't that I disagree with other opinions that recommend selling separately. It's just that you being in NB suggests to me it won't work that way.


I recommended against selling all seperate lol I just gave advice with somewhere to start with pricing if that is what the fellow would like to do. I still think it's a losing battle even for someone who knows the value and what everything is.

I think it can be even harder for those with a passion for machining to let some stuff go as they know the "value" and it's hard to accept people "low balling" you for your stuff but in reality if everything went to auction you probably come out the other side worse off. But auctions are generally the easiest option for loved ones in The case of fellows with life long collections they couldn't part with before passing.

The high combined price might scare them. But that's why it needs to be presented as a deal. And it is a deal. A good one! Sell it like the deal it is!

Ye that is one of the draw backs with selling as a lot especially if you try to maximise value of all things in the lot it may become harder to sell, As many of us generally buy used equipment then buy stuff as it becomes available used or buy new stuff when no other choice is offered. The guys who done well and have higher capital then lots of fellows in this hobby will generally just buy new and buy the stuff they wish to have.

So you kinda got to price it too meet in the middle of the those who wish to have all the toys but can't justify buying everything in one shot and make it attractive enough to convince a fellow with deeper pockets who can afford to buy everything new in one go to want to deal with maybe some of the "junk" that comes with buying a lot of stuff generally.

@PensFan1979

And ye it's definitely worth cleaning up the machines before posting as clean well oiled machine makes me feel better about buying anything vs seeing a machine in excessive dismay or a machine chained down to a trailer left outside doesn't make me want to buy the machine unless it's a real good deal.
 
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