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The hypocrisy and unfairness in schooling

Or perhaps a better title would be 'Two lessons about school I wish I had learned before I started school'!

I just couldn't let @Susquatch 's post go unanswered altho it was so off topic I decided to put my reply here.

@Susquatch said "Because I was a highschool drop out, I had to take the required engineering entry courses in night school in order to get into University. That included English. But I opted for first year English at University instead of night school. BIG MISTAKE! Not like high school English at all. No grammar or spelling. Just stuff like Shakespeare. I was bombing BADLY despite the motivation to succeed.

One day, the Prof asked me to stay after class. Then she asked me about my assignment - which had a big red F at the top. "What were you thinking she asked." "I dunno, it reminded me of how cold and nasty a blizzard is in the winter." I said. She just stared at me for 5 minutes. Then said, "lt's about a virgin who is afraid of sex." I stared at her for 30 seconds and then blurted out something about how all the virgins I had met were hot and horny as hell just trying hard to save themselves. More staring at each other. Then she laughed and said "You don't belong here. But I understand why you are here. If you show up for every single class and hand in all your assignments on time, and give this course a sincere effort, I will pass you." And that's how that went. I was grateful as hell. But I still don't understand the snowstorm or Shakespeare."


In my many years at school there were two events that really stood out for me as profound lessons about school itself. The first event was in Grade 12 English class. We were instructed to read a particular novel, that novel was then analyzed extensively in class, and at the end we had to write an exam about it. The instructor was adamant that we were not to use Coles notes and that we must read the novel. After the exam the instructor did a quick informal survey of the students asking which had used Coles notes, which had read the novel, and which had done well in the exam. It turned out roughly half the class had used Coles, never read the novel, and aced the exam. The other half of the class, myself included, did as they were instructed, read the novel, avoided Coles, and failed!!! For me it was glaring proof positive that the teaching system they used didn't work, that the problem wasn't me, and that they knew it!!!!

My second revelation about school happened in early University. I had learned to hate English so bad in high school that one of my conditions to entering University was that I wasn't going to study any more English!!! Miraculously I managed to weasel a program that excluded English but I had still to finish two "electives". That is to say two courses in fields other than my main focus of sciences. For one of these courses I chose philosophy. I was expecting to enjoy this course but after the mid term exam I found myself failing despite the fact that I enjoyed the subject. The course was very different from most of the other course I was taking where I had mostly to understand complex equations and know how to crank out the right answers. Altho it was difficult it was pretty cut and dried. Philosophy on the other hand was a very different kettle of fish. Exams here involved essay type questions. I was good at writing but my strategy was to write short, concise, to the point, thoughtful answers. Since I found myself failing I desperately asked around in search of advise on how to improve my game. What I predominantly heard were embarrassed admissions that the people who marked papers rarely bothered to actually read what was written!!! It was actually impossible for them to decipher the vast mountains of hand written essay answers!!! So what they often did was judge the paper based on its volume!!! To do this they might just weigh the paper or in some cases toss the papers down a stairs to see which went the farthest!!!! So I told myself OK, for the final exam I will just write as much bullshit as I possibly can with the objective of producing as much illegible and unreadable volume as possible!!! To make a long story short I aced that final exam and passed the course with flying colors!!!!! How insane is that!!!!!
 
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So I told myself OK, for the final exam I will just write as much bullshit as I possibly can with the objective of producing as much illegible and unreadable volume as possible!!! To make a long story short I aced that final exam and passed the course with flying colors!!!!!

Reminds me of that advertisement where the CEO asks for a report "this thick". The ad writers must have taken your philosophy course..... LOL

What a world sometimes!
 
I was lucky.
I started school when I left home at 16. I was old enough to realize when I was being lied to. They got me on the anti-oil propaganda though, and talked me out of my desire to be an auto mechanic.
I was 18 and had passed Grade 10 with flying colors when they decided that everyone must now have french to pass high school.
I handed in my books, and they pleaded with me to stay, painting a picture of how awesome the world would be if I went to university.
I was old enough to realize when I was being lied to. Paul Simom said it best:
When I think back on all the crap I learned in high school
It's a wonder I can think at all
And though my lack of education hasn't hurt me none
I can read the writing on the wall
 
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l wonder how many talented people drop through the cracks in trad schooling. I did, but moving so often and poor social interactions didn't help in my case. I had some fantastic, motivated teachers that were so busy that they had to focus on the 'low hanging friut' - the ones that showed the most promise, and we're easiest to advance.

This wasn't ever a teacher problem, or a student problem, but a failure in the system to understand what and how to teach, how to engage students, and what clear outcomes are desired.

The business of education is hopefully flawed, but somehow we end up with competent engineers, nurses and trades persons.
 
When I was doing undergraduate Engineering we had to take an unrelated elective, so I choose political science. Our professor was clearly a very hard line communist. I tried to be open minded and even put a leftist twist on my responses during class discussions, I had an A+ going into the final but just couldn't pretend any more on the final exam. Final mark C-, so he clearly failed me on the final because I was no longer following the party line. Interesting experience.
 
This wasn't ever a teacher problem, or a student problem, but a failure in the system to understand what and how to teach, how to engage students, and what clear outcomes are desired.

^ This.

I often said that many of the most promising students are the ones at the bottom of the class. I think the elementary and post secondary school systems need to get past selecting the on the basis of best grades and instead look to potential. When I reviewed education systems elsewhere in the world and particularly in Europe and the far East, many of the primary school systems evaluated and identified raw talent and potential instead of grades. Students were encouraged to follow their talents and passions. In my mind, that's a very clear advantage we could learn a lot from. It's a well known issue that there is a shortage of skilled trades. To my knowledge there is no equivalent shortage in Europe.

I like to say that if Einstein had been born today, the system would have excluded him and he would never have been allowed to do what he did. I think grades alone do a very poor job of identifying modern day Einstein's and other talented people - if anything it deliberately excludes them.
 
It seems we are all of a like mind on education and the school systems. I've always felt that the school system past elementary grades is designed by academic minds to favour academic minds. The problem is, a good portion of kids and people are not wired for that. This does not just simply allow them to fall through the cracks, it actively pushes them through. I was one of those. I've known and worked with a lot of very smart individuals with skills and talent to understand and build things, yet were considered below average in academics and thus not very smart. Societal and financial rewards tended to favour those who fit the mould of academia, however that is shifting as trades are in demand and are slowly becoming recognized for the skills and knowledge they require. It used to be that a university degree was a blank cheque to success, but has become much less so since they almost handed them out like candy at Halloween.
 
Funny thought. Was having lunch with the local HD Equipment mechanic instructors from the apprenticeship program a couple years ago. They both agreed the best mechanics turned out to be the solid B or B- students.
As a supervisor Judging from my minions I’d say they were correct
 
Funny thought. Was having lunch with the local HD Equipment mechanic instructors from the apprenticeship program a couple years ago. They both agreed the best mechanics turned out to be the solid B or B- students.
As a supervisor Judging from my minions I’d say they were correct

Wanna hear another example? I had heard that employers wanted B & C Engineers because they were more likely to be practical. So I very deliberately threw my final exams to lower my mark. Unfortunately, they graded the exam on a curve so I still got A's. FK! Luckily, employers noticed I was born on a farm and wanted me anyhow!

NEVER underestimate the value of practical experiences on a resume!
 
I hated grade school.

I always excelled, but soon found that I could simply write exams and as long as I got high enough marks on those, I didn’t have to do any homework.

I found this out in I believe grade 10 when I realized that some of the courses were weighted towards tests as heavy as 50 for the final exam, 40 for other exams, and 10 for assignments.

I calculated the amount of homework I would have to do in order to maintain my honour roll status, based on the weightings in the different courses (this because my parents made it a requirement of me (being on the honour roll) to continue playing football, wrestling, and playing rugby), and strategically took zeros on all other homework and assignments.

I made it a goal to not do any homework. I even notoriously called out my physics 30 prof for the rip-off disposable textbook we could write in! At 100$ a piece. I told him I would sell it to the next class of students and would ace his course without writing in it. The fury when I sold it to my friend in front of him after scoring the highest diploma mark in the class and not handing in a single assignment…. Average: 83.

This saved much of my precious high school time for hanging out with the boys, hunting, and pursuing the two legged variety of white-rumped does present at my school….

Landed me in quite a bit of heat with the administration at my school, with many principal office visits….

Each appointment culminating with me asking the principal what my average was in the class, him replying somewhere along the lines of “uhm uh 87” and me pointing out his window to the troubled youth smoking cigarettes down in the parking lot, and me saying “why aren’t those kids in your office? I doubt they have an 87 average in advanced placement calculus?”

Then when they heard I was going into the trades instead of the venerated university system…..

I was informed I would make “McDonalds” wages as a tradesman!

They were shocked when I informed them, at my CURRENT first year apprentice wage as an Instrumentation/Controls apprentice (I worked part time in high school) I made more money per hour then most teachers!!!

School is a Cookie factory with a big dirty cookie cutter.

I don’t take kindly to being cut.
 
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We sent our kids to private school, not a stuffy one, just one that focused on mastering the basics and excelling to whatever level capable on a student by student basis. Our kids received a superb education. Non of the crazy crap that was going on at the time in the public system. For example when cell phones arrived on the scene, new policy no cell phones use while on school property, you try your expelled. Drugs your out no return first time. None of this lets make everyone about the same attitude. Speech night starts in kindergarten. Zero regrets.
 
Wanna hear another example? I had heard that employers wanted B & C Engineers because they were more likely to be practical. So I very deliberately threw my final exams to lower my mark. Unfortunately, they graded the exam on a curve so I still got A's. FK! Luckily, employers noticed I was born on a farm and wanted me anyhow!

NEVER underestimate the value of practical experiences on a resume!

+1

To your point I leaned toward candidates that got their hands dirty fixing their cars etc. (like farm boys) vs those that took them to the dealer and had no idea how they worked.

D :cool:
 
School is a place to brainwash kids in the teachers politics, so they can riot and barricade and chant in university
My friend and I also (by the very ideologically committed teacher’s own admission) won a class debate on the merits of our arguements… us two versus the rest of the class… on the topic of the approach different countries take on the ownership of certain items and their application in the defence against tyranny…..

There was much tooth gnashing across the room.

We took the “unpopular” side that certain men also took around the year 1776…. The rest of the class took the “popular” side that most countries are familiar with….

Anyway. I don’t want to get any posts removed so I am going to STHU before I tread into anything I shouldn’t.

Out of respect to the forum and its moderators and members…
 
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