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Brent H

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@YYCHM : I don't think there would be many people wanting to do a 2 week for 1 week off trade at this time in the marine industry (maybe a ferry run in your home town?). Most shipping companies are pretty much equal time on/off basis just to keep some interest in the job. check this:

A marine manufacturing/repair company bills out their Technical Reps at about $250/hour plus overtime and living expenses. The customer has to pay all of this $$ and, due to constraints placed on the ship owner by insurance and certification societies, you have to have a company rep on site.

For a typical job in dry dock we will have about 4 to 5 of these "tech's" doing different things and inspecting things. They present a report and the vessel passes certification.

At the end of the day the ship owner forks out about $400K for these reports and services to get the approvals in order to go back sailing - this does not include the cost of anything else, just those 5 people's time over an 8 week period.

So in 8 weeks you are forking out $50K a week or $200K in a month. The tech guy might make about 14 to 16K/ month and I might make 10K in the month. I have to do the following: Train the people on our equipment, supervise them and approve or not approve their work, sign legal documentation regarding the work performed, including their pay sheets and at the end of their work and things are signed off - I take full responsibility for the work they performed and under the Canada Shipping Act I can be found liable and criminally charged for any subsequent pollution, injury or death as a result of their work.

So at the end of the day, if the time off is not there why bother? I have the certification to do all the work these technicians are doing, maybe even more in some cases BUT those guys have to travel all over, time off is more rare and they need to fund retirement. The time off is HUGE

Shipping companies right now face a huge shortage of certified workers - it is like over 10000 officer positions are open all over the globe and the rate is growing. Industry has pushed for unmanned engine rooms, lower certification requirements and many other changes that all make the job very challenging to staff. Not taking into account the mental fitness (or lack there of) a person needs to go away for extended periods of time, isolated on a ship, sea sickness etc etc...

My job has been super interesting and I have been all over Canada, learned a bag load of things in all different disciplines - awesome!! I can't complain as you lye in the bed you make and mine has been comfortable for me and my wife (most of the time) hahahaha

If the Time away is not there I think you would see a mass departure from the merchant marine trade in general. Cruise ships are a bit of an odd ball and I can't really say.....you would need to pull up the bar with Isaac or Goffer and discuss that part of the trade :)
 

Susquatch

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You tell us all those things about your complicated world and you always seem to tell them in a positive way. A lesser man would be bitching up a blue storm.

You are a good man @Brent H !
 

historicalarms

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Who spec'd the cribbing out for that dude to stand on...one of those 16K-month guys...should hold him tho if he don't eat much from now to eternity LOL

You mentioned using soap as a slide agent, wonderful stuff for that. When the company I was a supervisor for was moving a lot of houses off acreages before lot construction I got to witness the moves. On the first move, I was very skeptical when I asked the question as to what they would use to push the house onto the foundation and the answer was "4 guys by hand"...this house probably weighed in at around 80,000.
The movers foreman used an un-gloved hand and run it over every inch of the slide beams and any time he felt any type of burr or bump on the rail he filled it down smooth and then thoroughly washed every bit of grit off that beam. After washing he liberally smeared common ivory house soap on that beam. Now the house was lowered onto the beam and the beam slope was adjusted to be not more than 1/8th of 1% drop (less than 2" in 100 ft) and then I watched dumbfounded as 4 dudes pushed that house out over the foundation....the biggest concern they had was having a runaway by pushing to hard.

When we moved my own house from Calgary, the lay of the land prevented much less than a 1/2 of 1% beam grade and they had to hook a picker truck to the house and just let it slide on its own after a slight nudge to get it started. Those boys let my house down on the basement walls and 2 corners lined up exact and 2 corners were out 1/8 th of an inch...a credit to both them and the basement builders.
 

Brent H

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Here is a cool pic of the other shaft going in. The ship is named after a guy so the soap in the hoop is a good thing - LOL

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And me and the lads are away tomorrow - lobster here we come!!
 

Chicken lights

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Hey @Brent H fantastic pictures!! I had a question- do you and your crew have TWIC cards or part of any of the merchant marine programs? Or does being in the coast guard extend that umbrella to allow you to dock places? Just curious
 

Brent H

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Hey @Chicken lights - we just carry a passport like normal folks and have customs on the ship if we go into the states. I needed one for a dry dock a long time ago. It was good for just 3 years or something. Other than that it is just customs and passports.
 

Chicken lights

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Gotcha. I’ve been to a couple ports in the USA lately, but I’d like to get my TWIC card so I don’t need an escort in the future
 

Chicken lights

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What's a TWIC card? What do you mean by having to be escorted?
Like a passport for ports and I think military bases, in the USA
An escort is just that, someone with a TWIC card, who you follow around the port. It’s not a big deal until you’re sitting there waiting and you’re still paying them by the hour. First time was by appointment and worked slick, they picked me up at the gates on the fly. Second time it was first come first serve and wasted hours.
 

Susquatch

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Like a passport for ports and I think military bases, in the USA
An escort is just that, someone with a TWIC card, who you follow around the port. It’s not a big deal until you’re sitting there waiting and you’re still paying them by the hour. First time was by appointment and worked slick, they picked me up at the gates on the fly. Second time it was first come first serve and wasted hours.

I'm glad you clarified what an escort is. I'll save your post to show my wife if I ever need to.......
 

Brent H

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Hey Craig,

We are alongside - gotta go back up as there was a bit of an issue. Was hoping to be closer to home and bring a few more pieces of Miss Metric to fart around with. Will find out tomorrow on the extended details.

alas.....
 

YYCHM

(Craig)
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Hey Craig,

We are alongside - gotta go back up as there was a bit of an issue. Was hoping to be closer to home and bring a few more pieces of Miss Metric to fart around with. Will find out tomorrow on the extended details.

alas.....

As in a few too many leaks? I was wondering how this all gets wrung out once she is floating again.
 
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Janger

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Those are some big bolts holding the prop blades on. What are they? Size? like M200?
 

YYCHM

(Craig)
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Hey Craig,

We are alongside - gotta go back up as there was a bit of an issue. Was hoping to be closer to home and bring a few more pieces of Miss Metric to fart around with. Will find out tomorrow on the extended details.

alas.....

What's the prognosis Dr. Diesel?
 

Brent H

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@Janger they are an M75 fitted bolt so roughly 3 inch diameter and made of some funky proprietary stainless material.

@YYCHM : things are a bit leaky so we have to go up and replace a couple seals. One thing about these big seals (450 mm diameter) is a wee issue with one thing can lead to some bigger issues quickly. We are not, however, looking at a submarine conversion- LOL! Should be good in a week.
 
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