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Ditron DRO Sale on Ali

Wow! Very impressive modelling - even the tools on the splash gaurd!!!

I can't speak to 3D models of scales. I'm all old school still. What I can do is highly recommend that you forget BOTH FRONT AND REAR mounting. Front is too subject to damage cuz it's too close to all the action, and rear is in the way of the tailstock.

Instead, look at putting the scale INSIDE the cross-slide! Basically, you put the scale on the top half of the cross-slide and the reader at the back attached to the saddle. No dirt, no damage, neat and tidy.

Mine is a close fit without any machining at all. But I plan to cut another 10 thou off for extra clearance anyway.

Several of us have done this or are planning to, and we are all quite happy!
Tools on splash guard were done yesterday - had a piece of Kreg T-Slot track left over from a table saw jig build and 3D printed some tool holders. Didn't want to drill thru the metal splash guard so I printed some standoff's that snap into place:

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On my King 1440 lathe, the read head was installed in the back of the carriage with a bracket (not shown) - would like to see pictures of your installations for wisdom :)
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On 1022 lathes the slide uncovers the back end of the saddle when fully forward so I don't see how this will work.

This is true of many lathes. The solution. I'd mount the read head at the back of the cross-slide and add a simple extension to the back of the top of the cross-slide. The two halves can be machined for the shallow groove (if one is needed) as an assembly for perfect alignment. I think that's what @TorontoBuilder means above too.
 
Seems some interest in mounting of cross slide scale on 10x22 lathe. I did not investigate the tape under the cross slide method, it would probably be better than my solution. I mounted a magnetic scale to the side and it's a bit messy:
- need to maintain access to the grub screws, I turned down the head ever so slightly, so a deep 8mm socket can access without disassembling anything.
- carriage lock bolt requires a tweak, but that's a good thing because half the time the you can't access with the Allen key, so that change is worth doing regardless of DRO
- the 4th image is the mounting block for the read head
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I have a Ditron coming via DHL.

What kinda duty and tax have folks gotten?

First time I've ever ordered this size and price from abroad and never DHL.
 
I find DHL way better than UPS and lower brokerage than both UPS and FedEx. I'm actually quite warming up to DHL they seem to have their act together, tracking and communication is excellent. My DHL driver often phones while in route to make sure I'm home.
 
Like DHL too. Not better than Purolator for me, but waaaay better than UPS. My only disappointment was have to drive to their depot for a few things. Not sure how or why that happens.
 
I'm lacking in pretty 3D models, but I did get my cross-slide DRO scale tidied up today. The tape is in a new within the dovetail slot. I had to extend the slide a little bit to get a full reading with the read head placed in the cross-slide screw slot.
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The read head is held why what amounts to a tiny machinist's jack.
This is ridiculously tidy. There was plenty of meat to cut the 2mm deep channel for the tape. I used a cap head screw on one end of the tape to both ease alignment and to reduce the chance that something catching the tape might rip it down.
Many thanks @DavidR8 who spared the length of tape I didn't have on hand. If you're in or around Victoria, I have a couple of meters coming on a slow boat from China, hit me up around Christmas.
One more tip: It's not enough to acetone the receiving surface for the tape. When you stick on the upper stainless shield also acetone your tape. It will be so oily after no time flat that it won't adhere. That's almost certainly what bit me with my original install.
Edit: A couple of shots of the cross-slide setups. I've never had the knee so low. The holes to hold the extension went in like a breeze.
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And a second edit, because I'm bad at planning. There's not much to see with the whole thing installed:
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The only annoying part is that the extension hits the chip screen, losing 3/4" of far-side travel. I can live with that. If it's ever actually needed I'll drill a hole in the sheild.
 
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I have a Ditron coming via DHL.

What kinda duty and tax have folks gotten?

First time I've ever ordered this size and price from abroad and never DHL.

DHL collected $20 brokerage and $20 duty/tax for a ~$630 kit. Paid this online and it arrived at my door the next day in Toronto. For my case, this was better than UPS and FedEx who previously charged me a limb on brokerage fees alone.
 
DHL collected $20 brokerage and $20 duty/tax for a ~$630 kit. Paid this online and it arrived at my door the next day in Toronto. For my case, this was better than UPS and FedEx who previously charged me a limb on brokerage fees alone.
DHL has a package for me that has been hung up in customs for two weeks. DHL doesn't call back. I hang on the support phone until it magically hangs up. I've left a call back number. I've sent emails.

The supplier in the USA has already charged my AMEX. Don't know when I'll see the stuff.
 
DHL has a package for me that has been hung up in customs for two weeks. DHL doesn't call back. I hang on the support phone until it magically hangs up. I've left a call back number. I've sent emails.

The supplier in the USA has already charged my AMEX. Don't know when I'll see the stuff.
I bought a painting from a fellow in the UK. DHL fucked around for 4 weeks being unhappy with the commercial invoice. Fellow had to re- do it three times before they were satisfied the art was made in the UK. Nitwits.
 
On the other hand, I've had nothing but excellent experience with DHL and wretched experience with UPS and FedEx.
 
The daily Robot email from DHL states it's hung up in customs so it's quite possible someone did the paperwork incorrectly. However you'd think this company knows how to do paperwork.
Honestly I think sometimes that the CBS folks take their time with clearing packages. I had one sit for over two weeks. I finally got cheesed off and called the company I ordered from to complain and no joke, withing an hour it was released for delivery.
 
I had no issue calling up DHL on my end or using the chat to get details. The only run around was their tracking update directed me to DHL USA at first. But I connected to a human right away on both USA and Canada while my experience most companies is getting stuck on hold etc.

The package took 5 days from China to Toronto.
 
Yes, that was really my point. I've done really well with Ditron in the past.

Here is a little negotiating advice for others. My experience with vendors on Ali is a bit like shopping at a flea market. Direct questions about better prices get you no where.

I don't waste my own time negotiating on low cost items. There is no point wasting their time or mine for $20.

For more expensive stuff - say over $350 Cdn (the higher the cost the bigger the opportunity), you have to be conscious of their business cycle and create an investment scenario where they feel like they have invested time in you that they don't want to throw away. But don't over do it or they will drop you like a hot potatoe.

I usually begin by asking for their name and then asking them questions about the weather, where they live and work, and how their business is doing. I look for clues about how anxious they are to make a sale. Usually, the best opportunities coincide with month end, quarter end, and year end. That's when their sales performance is under the most pressure. And remember, there is no point negotiating with someone who is not empowered to negotiate!

Once I have the lay of the land, I get a starting quote. I moan and groan about how high the quote is for what I'm getting. Then I ask about better or more expensive products and options. If I get the sense that nothing will happen, I don't quit, instead I'll say I'll think about it and chat back later. Often, that alone will start a negotiation. If not, no biggie, I just put it on hold for a week or two. I often get to my target price by getting them to offer me free or included options. Ali vendors will almost always go for that because it is not tracked. Nobody knows what they did for you to get what you needed to reach a buy decision. So never start with what you want. Start basic and build up to what you really want.

If and when I come to know it can't happen, I make a decision to pay the price I'm at or walk away and shop elsewhere.

Sometimes it helps to ask about past and future sales events. Such sales provide lower price rails you can work with. If they cooperate, you both know the sale price is negotiable. If not, you know it will be more difficult but not impossible.

And, so it goes. The first trick to successful negotiation is understanding what the other party needs to be successful. The second trick is patience. These Ali vendors are basically pros. Just like at the fleamarket, but on a much longer time scale. These guys and gals do this ever day. While you are scoping them out, they are evaluating you too. They can smell weakness. The key to avoiding a bad outcome is know in advance what a bad outcome and a good outcome look like.

And something @Dabbler said a while back that I really liked. "A good deal happens anytime that the buyer and seller are both happy".

So by all means have fun and enjoy the trip.

Took @Susquatch advice/insight from above and a phone call and was able to get 4 axis, rpm, 1um, magnetic slides for ~$640CAD (after the coupons and saved coins) from another store. The pricing folks got from a year ago is a bygone era now, especially with the bad USD/CAD rate. But getting close to the price it still almost possible with the amount of big coupons that AliExpress sends out on the regularly makes. ~$40 for duty/tax/brokerage and 5-days by DHL.

But hey, maybe other folks can haggle better than I can... I was happy enough with the little time invested.

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Now to let this sit in the box a few months before I put it together :p
 
At a minimum, you should unpack them and make sure they work. Seeing the readout box numbers change will also sow the seed elements of impatience. ;)
Thanks for the tip just checked all the slides, heads, and rpm and they all work.

Never spent too much on AliExpress before and without the "inside knowledge" I would have not ordered at all because of so many what would be considered red flags:

I went with a different Ditro store with not many sales but after chatting with them a got their first name and better feel (the full name of person spoke with is actually on the package address). Didn't realize before its just one person running each of these "stores".

Some back and forth negotiation and they even tried to ask for an extra 10USD before I stood firm.

Custom link was weird to me. But I'm just not use to this type of "shopping".

Listing didn't show which shipping company and stated no tracking. I asked and they said it would be known after I paid (would be red flag otherwise). After payment I was messaged the tracking with DHL.

Can't say anything about the accuracy or quality but I won't be working on anything that matters anyway. Just fun to learn/try something new! Honestly if I told anyone this buying experience everyone would tell me scams.
 
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