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Anyone try Wamo / self-driving yet?

That's another snake oil ploy that harkens back to the great space race and collective American "victory" he wants to be associated with. Consumers can see him as the brave explorer of the "new world" and this positive association helps his related projects (AI, robots). Just another roadster stunt to string people along.

There is no desire for him and his buddies for Mars. The only way that happens is if Mars becomes Elysium (2013) and the rest of us are left with scorched earth. He isn't giving up pina colladas or his luxury homes. Where will he find servants and all the attention? He needs us.
 
No, in Musk's case there is a genuine wish for a naive science-fiction-fueled life on Mars - it's not some kind of cynical future-carrot he's dangling out for others, it's an actual belief system. There was a particularly good (and credible) podcast on him that focused on it a few years ago. I should dig up the reference.
 
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Discussing the shortcomings of our failed legal system in Canada is likely not a welcome topic around here, as @architect hinted towards
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To be clear, I did no such thing. I simply offered about the most reduced description possible of a portion of how our system is designed to work. However, if you feel that it's a "failed" one, I eagerly await the arrival of your detailed and thorough proposal for a comprehensive replacement for the (in your view) defective English and Canadian legal systems that have evolved over the past thousand years. I'm certain you'll succeed where every monarch, legislator, and lawyer in recorded history since 1066 have not.
 
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someidiot said:
No, in Musk's case there is a genuine wish for a naive science-fiction-fueled life on Mars - it's not some kind of cynical future-carrot he's dangling out for others, it's an actual belief system. There was a particularly good (and credible) podcast on him that focused on it a few years ago. I should dig up the reference.
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Here it is - it was done in 2021 for the BBC by Harvard historian Jill Lepore, and released to youtube by Pushkin last year, which is nice. Eight half-hour episodes. I'm not a podcast guy, but this is one I made a point of listening to.

(Episode 1):

 
someidiot said:
To be clear, I did no such thing. I simply offered about the most reduced description possible of a portion of how our system is designed to work. However, if you feel that it's a "failed" one, I eagerly await the arrival of your detailed and thorough proposal for a comprehensive replacement for the (in your view) defective English and Canadian legal systems that have evolved over the past thousand years. I'm certain you'll succeed where every monarch, legislator, and lawyer in recorded history since 1066 have not.
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Quite simply, Canadas largest mistake was forming a constitutional monarchy. The answer would've been to form a constitutional republic instead. Simple solution

You're welcome.
 
Thank you - of course, what could I possibly have been thinking?

After all, the constitutional republic just to the south of us is running just flawlessly.

Note: The legal problem you initially postulated would be handled exactly the same way down there (their legal system derived from the English common law as did ours), so I don't see how a change of governmental structure would obviate the explanation I offered and satisfy you in any way. Perhaps you can sort me out on that part.
 
someidiot said:
Thank you - of course, what could I possibly have been thinking?

After all, the constitutional republic just to the south of us is running just flawlessly.

Note: The legal problem you initially postulated would be handled exactly the same way down there (their legal system derived from the English common law as did ours), so I don't see how a change of governmental structure would obviate the explanation I offered and satisfy you in any way. Perhaps you can sort me out on that part.
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Well, once again you're either incorrect or misinformed, it's hard to tell which. Government structure dictates legal framework, which is why a constitutional republic is superior to our constitutional monarchy. That's just basic civics

Again, you're welcome 😉
 
So, just in the interest of my further legal education, please explain to me the difference(s) between my description of how your scenario would be handled here (post #75 above), and how it'd be handled in the US.
 
someidiot said:
No, in Musk's case there is a genuine wish for a naive science-fiction-fueled life on Mars - it's not some kind of cynical future-carrot he's dangling out for others, it's an actual belief system. There was a particularly good (and credible) podcast on him that focused on it a few years ago. I should dig up the reference.
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Getting to the moon was never the problem it was getting back or wearing Elons new space suit.

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Well I don't know if they can be programmed differently, but I blew by one at about 5:15 am sitting in the middle lane doing about 50 mph, in Detroit. You'd think they would have to obey traffic laws like keep right except to pass, or at least do the speed limit
 
Apparently they will start testing in Toronto soon.

It’s coming, hopefully not too many bad accidents during the transition. Eventually when the distracted drivers are removed from the equation I expect the accident rate will fall dramatically.
 
I’m against it just stop and think for a minute you have a self driving vehicle and there is apparently nothing that can’t be hacked so humor me and think of a vehicle of explosives travelling to its destination from X distance by the time it reaches its destination you are already on the plane going home a hero. I have to also wonder if they spend all that time protecting the software how do they protect the map/route it follows and not 6 feet on the right on the sidewalk, will they be equipped with bomb sniffer’s after all you’ve created a cruise missle that can’t fly.
 
Valid point, software should make sure an actual person is on board. Maybe they need to include a sniffer dog;-)

I think this trend is going to be hard to stop.
 
I'll be dead before it happens to any meaningful extent.

Nobody is gunna take all the old vehicles off the road for at least 20 years.

Only early adopters are gunna buy and use the new stuff. It will be 50 years before it's mainstream.... if ever.

All three levels of government will also have to upgrade all the roads for RTK (or better) GPS guidance.

How do we handle underground parking?

The entire auto industry will have to agree on standards.

The entire continent will have to agree on technology standards for rural, municipal, state, provincial, and federal roads. That will stifle advancements.

Rich guys like Musk will want their cut. Costs will go up not down.

3 people will die. The media will go crazy. The public will get scared. Private interests will stake their ground.

Ya, not happening in my lifetime.
 
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I think when the almighty $ comes into play, there will be a lot of motivation to move forward quickly.
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I'm not understanding your point here Jeff. Taxi drivers are undergoing a major change due to Uber right now. Taxis are a very minor part of the national transportation network. I don't see how the income of a taxi driver over the life of a car really drives an almighty dollar transition. What am I missing?
 
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