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Want to know about the current situation of Canadian machining enterprises, who can talk about it briefly?

Tom Kitta said:
There is a company that used to make vises in Canada - https://www.graytools.com/category/vises
They say they are tool manufacturer in Canada - so I assume vises are made in Canada as well.

westward tools & equipment Canada - seems to be Grainger brand -
https://www.grainger.ca/en/product/BENCH-VISE,MECHANICS,SWIVEL,5-IN/p/WSW10D707

But no clue where these are actually made - if in Canada. Many say most things are actually made in Taiwan & sold under the brand.
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This is a very useful link and I have left a message in the background waiting for his reply. I don't know how to express my gratitude, can you tell me your lathe chuck model? What size chuck key to use (square size)? Then text me your address (if you don't mind). I want to give you a key to express my gratitude, of course, is also a way to publicize and show my own ability, thank you!
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This is a M10(10*10mm)-160 key, because it is my sample, so it has not been heat treated, but according to Susquatch's reason: because of fear of large forces to destroy the chuck jaw, so it does not need too much force, should be enough to use. (Sending out samples, not goods, so don't have any psychological burden) I also try to use international express to get familiar with the express process.
 
a smile said:
Who else knows more? Or give me more pictures of some actual factories in Canada? (No trade secrets)
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You may find people are a bit reluctant to your request as China has a reputation of patent infringement and intellectual property rights. Unfortunately you as a person might bear the consequences of that reputation. I do wish you luck however.
 
As we discussed in a PM, I worked for one of Canada's largest automotive manufacturers. In so doing, I worked with many large, medium, and small enterprises. Small companies in particular face many challenges with far fewer resources to handle them.

That's the reason they generally join together to form associations where everyone can benefit from centralized support by buying a membership.

For me, these associations were extremely useful as they provided a single contact point that could represent all the members.

That said, I frequently heard complaints from the little guys that the big guys called all the shots. Nonetheless, membership growth and retention was always a goal so they will almost always go overboard to help the new guy. Often even having outreach support groups to help entrepreneurs get going.

Here is a list of Canadian Associations and their websites and contacts that you could check out for those that interest you most.

National industry organizations - Canada.ca

www.canada.ca www.canada.ca

You could also contact the Canada China Institute for Business Development.


Here is a non-government group also dedicated to helping startups. They may have people who speak Chinese.

www.canadastartups.org

Small Business Startups | Get Funded | Launch Your Small Business

Your small business startup is your pride and joy. Ensure you have the necessary tools to be successful. Startup, get funding and launch your business.
www.canadastartups.org www.canadastartups.org

Hope that helps. Feel free to ask questions.
 
Susquatch said:
Here is a list of Canadian Associations and their websites and contacts that you could check out for those that interest you most.

National industry organizations - Canada.ca

www.canada.ca www.canada.ca

You could also contact the Canada China Institute for Business Development.


Here is a non-government group also dedicated to helping startups. They may have people who speak Chinese.

www.canadastartups.org

Small Business Startups | Get Funded | Launch Your Small Business

Your small business startup is your pride and joy. Ensure you have the necessary tools to be successful. Startup, get funding and launch your business.
www.canadastartups.org www.canadastartups.org

Hope that helps. Feel free to ask questions.
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Awesome post @Susquatch !
 
The biggest cost of manufacturing here (for small firms) is real estate to rent or buy. The second is the overly restrictive regulations from safety to labour protectionism. Get past that you are on par with the rest of the world on cost.
 
Degen said:
The biggest cost of manufacturing here (for small firms) is real estate to rent or buy. The second is the overly restrictive regulations from safety to labour protectionism. Get past that you are on par with the rest of the world on cost.
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@a smile - I have to agree with Degen here. These are big ticket issues. But there are other smaller issues too. Compared to other jurisdictions, taxes are high, embedded costs for materials and supplies is high, and raw labour costs are high.

On the other hand, perhaps the biggest advantage for makers (big and small) is that Canada has a very favourable currency exchange rate when selling into the USA. This allows makers to make things in Canadian Dollars & sell them in the USA in US Dollars. Mind you, there are other countries elsewhere in the world that are even more favorable in this regard. It must also be said that this is only an advantage for makers. Buyers experience the exact opposite effect because our weak buying dollars don't go as far.
 
I have dealt with a few smaller firms that how they approach costing, manufacturing techniques, takes care of most of it. If fact price differences between off shore and local is less 1%.
 
DPittman said:
You may find people are a bit reluctant to your request as China has a reputation of patent infringement and intellectual property rights. Unfortunately you as a person might bear the consequences of that reputation. I do wish you luck however.
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I would like to explain my request: 1. I do not want to know or see pictures related to intellectual property rights. 2. This is a public occasion, and I think the photo sender should know not to post some pictures with trade secrets. 3. The most important reason why I am here is because nobody cares about intellectual property in my country, everyone wants to steal other people's technology, property ----- even live people! I want to live in a healthy society ！！！！ 4. I just want to know what the workshop in Canada looks like and the general machine configuration. I want to know what I can do if I am in this workshop. 5. I also want to know the practical ability of Canadian friends in this forum, and I hope to have a reference comparison to know where my ability is. Since I have not been involved in machine shop production, all my hands-on work is driven by hobby.

Thank you very much for your kind reminder! I feel a lot of kindness here!
 
Degen said:
The biggest cost of manufacturing here (for small firms) is real estate to rent or buy. The second is the overly restrictive regulations from safety to labour protectionism. Get past that you are on par with the rest of the world on cost.
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Also reply to you and Sasquatch.

Many times do not only look at the surface of some data, such as tax rates, tax rebates, land fees, labor, in my country, you can not see the cost is much higher than what you see, and, all people, all enterprises are in the illegal state, because the provisions of the law force you to break the law, which leads to in the future (of course, it may also be now), Even immediately) can be "legally" confiscated or imprisoned at any time. That's a bit much and a bit "illegal" haha. Let's talk about the machine tools we are interested in.

I talked a lot. I really hope I can run a business in Canada, but unfortunately I don't have enough money to complete the investment. Although I don't lack money, I don't have much savings. So I bought the site (garage), machine tools, and various parts, materials, as well as tools, accessories are huge costs, and there is no profit return of the cost. I roughly did the math and gradually invested the equivalent of three to five times the total assets of an average family.

Two years ago I thought I could do something with the skills I was good at, so I started designing some tools myself and trying to commercialize them. This makes me feel a sense of accomplishment, will make the hobby motivation, can promote learning progress. I think I have learned more on this machine than I have in my entire 11 years as a student.

My current plan is to gradually build a niche brand, and I want all my products to be perfect, so cost must not be the first consideration. This leads to excessive costs and there is not enough market for this product in my country because the purchasing power is not there. The best market is the United States, so manufacturing or assembly in Canada has a big advantage.

Therefore, I expect to have some understanding of the machinery industry in Canada. As for the overall cost, it will probably be lower than I am now.

In any case, I will continue to push forward, this is my lasting motivation to play with the machine tool. So I also want to see more works of Maple Leaf Circle.
 
@a smile consider what your header is. You ask about shops, it comes down to approach of business and certain cost items involved.

As to IP, knowing it can be done is half the battle, knowing the easiest method is the other.
 
a smile said:
Can anyone tell me: 850 three-axis machining center per hour charge how much?
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The therory is: Per hour cost is based on initial investment, maintenance and consumable costs divided by the expected life of the equipment and operated time added to the mix plus a reasonable profit.

So it varies by machine somewhat but some average it.

Me it see it way simpler, what did it cost me and what profit does it generate in parts made goes start towards initial cost (break even point). Consumables well are an on going cost and how muct time does a worker spend per part.

As an example my machine upgrade paid for itself with 500 parts one type only (in my case 6 months). Now it makes money regardless of what rate I chose.

It was faster than I expected as such I am considering a second machine in the next year or two that runs at a significantly faster rate.
 
Anyone else want to share? I wonder who else works in the machining field? Who is the owner of the machining enterprise?
 
Janger said:
@a smile I see lots of big billets of steel in various stages of completion. Do you know what they are making at this factory?
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I'm sorry! I forgot to answer your question, this is a hydraulic cylinder for the production of hydraulic crushing head used in excavators. I have been to several similar factories, but their production capacity cannot meet my requirements
 
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