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Something I would never do in my shop.

wmetfab said:
Hi Group,

Im sure this guy isnt doing this as a real source of income
It's possible that he enjoys mentoring and giving people the chance to get their hands on equipment they wouldnt normally be able to use.
Perhaps he might stay with the person, supervise and teach.
I taught many greenhorns and produced a couple first class journeymen and I enjoyed that.
Some of my stuff got damaged, but that was rare. Is there risk? Of course.
If we all worried about liability as our first priority nothing would ever happen anywhere.
Maybe someone should contact this guy and ask him about his offer.
Best to you all
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I think you are likely correct.
 
Martin w said:
Liability is why shop classes build with popsicle sticks and white glue… Why it’s hard to find a tradesman nowadays let alone a co-op student.
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The high school my kid's attended had a nice carpentry shop. A quality Adirondack chair and bedside table were produced. During a tour I noticed a Saw Stop table saw. I believe this table saw is standard in all schools and most government institutions in the province. In the US there is legislation that may make Saw Stop technology mandatory.

Would I trust my kids to use my 1950's Beaver table saw? Not without training and close supervision.

Speaking of safety and young trades people... A number of years ago I was taking a refresher High Voltage Electrical Safety training course. The instructor was a retired Sask Power lineman. He said the best apprentices used to be farm kids. If they survived growing up on a family farm with all their bits and pieces intact then they likely had a good sense of what some dangerous situations looked like before someone had to tell them. City kids who sit indoors on game systems during their free time don't have that opportunity. Therefore, he suggested that when you're training someone you need to keep that in mind. Never assume that what you think is an obvious hazard is obvious to the young apprentice. I thought that was pretty good advice.
 
I would never look to be reimbursed for letting a friend/neighbor use my shop & equipment. I have offered the usage a few times to people working on one project or another, a couple have used the big vise & welding table & hand tools but nobody has ventured forth on the power equipment as of yet...their all afraid of damaging something expensive to fix I think.
My shop equipment sits idle for hours upon hours and i just think it is the neighborly thing to offer.
 
Because there are no useless guards on the lathe and mill he would open himself up to potential accident suit. I wouldn’t rent out my shop either, you would spend the whole time looking over the guys shoulder, getting things, showing controls hopping nothing crashes.
 
I would never weld on something in the chuck or vise in my lathe or mill. I also agree and would not allow someone to use my equipment with out verification of skill on their own equipment.
 
I'm fussy but not that fussy. I enjoy mentoring and I let people use my shop responsibly - usually, but not always, supervised. I much prefer that over loaning out my tools. I have an old saying that I like - trust is earned - not given.
 
Susquatch said:
I'm fussy but not that fussy. I enjoy mentoring and I let people use my shop responsibly - usually, but not always, supervised. I much prefer that over loaning out my tools. I have an old saying that I like - trust is earned - not given.
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Mentoring for sure. I changed careers to have a larger role as a mentor. I find it extremely fulfilling to help people interested in an activity learn to do it well. The original post showed the shop for rent. I was more looking at the idea of unsupervised work.
 
The reality is that there are many maker spaces across NA with very dangerous equipment available to members for their personal use that are not being sued into oblivion,

The reasons why are they have mandatory training, and well designed safety protocols that involve direct supervision and good group insurance from specialized carriers.
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It was several years back, but when I needed a lathe to fix a lathe I checked out the local "Maker's Space".

Their lathe was out of order (maybe permanently) because someone had decided to "fix" it. There was ZERO training offered to anyone on any machine, likely because there was no one competent to do it. I certainly wasn't informed about any insurance. I considered offering to do some instructing and basic saftey training, but all they were really interested in was me paying a monthly fee until the end of time for the privileged of being able to walk through the door, certainly not in taking advantage of the fact that unlike everyone else there I had greater than zero experience. It felt like a bunch of 5 year olds, and the blind leading the blind.

I hope Maker's Spaces in other places and times are better, but I quickly walked away from that one and never looked in that direction again.
 
djberta said:
I would never weld on something in the chuck or vise in my lathe or mill. I also agree and would not allow someone to use my equipment with out verification of skill on their own equipment.
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Never... I HAD to weld a bolt into the cam on my lathe because the animal who owned it previously had jammed and bashed the cam and deformed and all other methods of removal failed.
Other than that kind of emergency I'd almost never weld something in the chuck or spindle of my lathe ;) There has got to be an alternative
 
mickeyf said:
It was several years back, but when I needed a lathe to fix a lathe I checked out the local "Maker's Space".

Their lathe was out of order (maybe permanently) because someone had decided to "fix" it. There was ZERO training offered to anyone on any machine, likely because there was no one competent to do it. I certainly wasn't informed about any insurance. I considered offering to do some instructing and basic saftey training, but all they were really interested in was me paying a monthly fee until the end of time for the privileged of being able to walk through the door, certainly not in taking advantage of the fact that unlike everyone else there I had greater than zero experience. It felt like a bunch of 5 year olds, and the blind leading the blind.

I hope Maker's Spaces in other places and times are better, but I quickly walked away from that one and never looked in that direction again.
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as with many not for profit endeavours, your mileage may vary greatly on the experience and professionalism of the operations.

the first rule with anything, protect yourself by being informed and knowledgeable before using dangerous equipment.

This rule is all that has kept me from buying a wire EDM machine at auction and going to town on some metal
 
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