Shaper

[George]

I found this on a local sell site, not knowing about these Machines apart from what they can do, is this worth it?
https://www.varagesale.com/south-ea...ign=retention-vs-item&utm_content=item_authed

 

[YYCHM]

Probably, it you have the room for it. That's going to weigh a LOT. Is that a yard stick laid along the ram? Can't tell from the image.

 

[John Conroy]

Prema shapers were made in Sweden and highly regarded. The #2 is a nice size for a home shop, if it's in good shape I think it's a good deal.

 

[YYCHM]

There is a Prema type 2 up for auction here https://sellthisforme.hibid.com/catalog/323856/machinist-tool-auction-of-the-century/. @Tom Kitta figures it weighs 1200 lbs and has a 13" stroke. 8" Atlas shapers go for $1000 or more.

 

[John Conroy]

There is some good info in this thread on Madmodder.

https://www.madmodder.net/index.php?topic=3853.0

 

[Dabbler]

I agree with all the above. A shaper is, well, a special tool that is not a great general purpose tool, but is really fun to use and watch. You can remove metal much faster with a horizontal mill of the same size, and do a lot more with a vertical mill that is fractionally bigger... It's big advantage is that you cna take advantage of HSS tool bits, and that is seriously cheaper than any of the alternatives.

That being said, this is in the Porshe range for shapers and if in good shape, especially with tooling, is a great deal.

 

[Mcgyver]

[QUOTE="Dabbler, post: 53948, member: 330"You can remove metal much faster with a horizontal mill of the same size, .[/QUOTE]

yeah, but the cutters are a heck of a lot easier to sharpen. . Their days are gone a commercial shop, but the negligible cost of tooling makes them attractive for the home shop imo - as you pointed out. I have vertical and horizontal mills, large and small....but still wish I had room for a shaper.

 

[Tom Kitta]

Yay I own a Porsche! So for lubrication, should I upgrade to what they guy has - 02 has 3 ports on each side of the shaper - lots of cables to run from the oiler.

OR

Opt out for 6x 50ml oiler cups that are filled manually? No cables to run.

Any ideas? Currently I have small brass nipples with capacity of like 1.5ml - not very good.

Also just to give you price idea I paid for mine, without cool oiling system around 1400 CAD few years ago. Probably like 1700 today money or more. And it was whole day of driving to pick it up.

 

[kevin.decelles]

Depends on how much you will use it.

My southbend 7" has the oil-pump -- I like it. My mill has the one-shot oiler -- not a fan.

My old lathe and power-hacksaw have the cups, and I prefer that (better evidence of consumption IMHO)

 

[Dabbler]

I'm also a fan of the 50 ml hand fill cups. Not practical on BP clones, but perfect for the shaper!