Scope level

[Susquatch]

This is how it is done on hundreds of kitchen tables just like mine .Personally I line mine up with the center of the firing pin projecting out the back end of the bolt...and Ive hit several targets at 700-1200 yrds ( back when vision was good and my heart beat wasnt visible in the scope crosshair jumping at every beat LOL).

Hmmmmm...... I like that. It could be further improved by removing the pin and looking down the pin bore.

It still isn't perfect, but it has to be FAR superior to levelling a scope that is canted to the bore.

 

[DPittman]

I don't get it really.

Policy, motivation, regulations, religion philosophy, etc, etc can be very divisive and I too believe they can ruin a forum that is not designed as it's sole focus of discussion.

Guns and gunsmithing on the other hand can be a subject just like any other hobby or tool discussion if those divisive and alienating areas are strictly controlled. However the moderators of this forum have decided that it is too hard to control the subject, and I can and will respect that.

@Susquatch states that gun discussion is discouraged and that we should keep messages as PM. Then he posts further discussing of the subject himself. Seems pretty darn inconsistent.

 

[Susquatch]

@Susquatch states that gun discussion is discouraged and that we should keep messages as PM.

That's a rather strict interpretation of what I said. Hopefully I can correct your view of my advice.

Then he posts further discussing of the subject himself. Seems pretty darn inconsistent.

The primary purpose of my post was to demonstrate how to do it without waving the red flag in the bull's face. If we cannot learn to do that then you are quite correct, it will have to become a banned subject.

on the other hand can be a subject just like any other hobby or tool discussion if those divisive and alienating areas are strictly controlled.

Exactly!

However the moderators of this forum have decided that it is too hard to control the subject, and I can and will respect that.

No we have not. We have actually done the former which you said you would support. There is no mention of smithing or smoke poles not being allowed in our rules. That is precisely why we have done exactly as your first recommendation suggests. We all just need to try to recognize what the problems are, and then try hard to stay on the black side of a very grey line. As skilled professionals, that should be possible when the primary subject is metal and wood working. As you say, it isn't at all like politics and religion. It should be possible.

If it turns out that it isn't possible, then we will have to be make it completely forbidden. So far, I think it has been ok.

If anyone needs more or better guidance, send me a PM and I'll explain in much greater detail in plain English.

 

[Chicken lights]

Someone said (or I read) that a trimmer is basically a mini lathe. (Depending inn the model). Most have a collet on one end and a pilot/cutter on the other.

 

[Susquatch]

Someone said (or I read) that a trimmer is basically a mini lathe. (Depending inn the model). Most have a collet on one end and a pilot/cutter on the other.

Yup! Most of the ones that don't have a spindle turn the case as though it were a spindle and trim in the same way, the others turn the tailstock end for the same result. The principals are the same. Any cut made while turning the part on a consistent axis of rotation will result in a cut that is also coaxial to that axis.

 

[Downwindtracker2]

When it comes to politics on forums, I find a lot of the posts rather distasteful . It makes the forum unpleasant.

 

[Susquatch]

When it comes to politics on forums, I find a lot of the posts rather distasteful . It makes the forum unpleasant.

Politics are verboten here so hopefully it's a taste you won't have to dislike.

 

[Hollow-Grind]

Politics are verboten here so hopefully it's a taste you won't have to dislike.

So why stop there? Politics, religion, guns, but no sex? Why does sex get a free ride? I’m pretty sure in this day and age sex topics are more controversial that guns or religion. What does the management cater to some groups but not others?

If someone gets offended by guns they should not be on a machining forum full stop.

 

[Susquatch]

So why stop there? Politics, religion, guns, but no sex? Why does sex get a free ride? I’m pretty sure in this day and age sex topics are more controversial that guns or religion. What does the management cater to some groups but not others?

If someone gets offended by guns they should not be on a machining forum full stop.

Thanks for being open about your opinion.

If any subject except our core became a problem, we would probably just add it to the list. We don't cater to any specific groups. We just strive to keep the peace.

I might add that there are quite a few members who think that we should not allow any discussion beyond metal working at all.

Personally, I think we do a good job of finding the right balance and I am grateful to all those who have let me know that privately.

If you can name a forum that does a better job, we would be happy to examine their policies and rules to see if we can learn from them.

 

[Chicken lights]

I might add that there are quite a few members who think that we should not allow any discussion beyond metal working at all.

Except - smithing is sometimes (usually?) very fine machining work

Lead casting is lead casting

Trimming brass to a thou is metal working

The problem is it's a politically sensitive subject for those that don't dabble into that hobby

I'm not arguing with what you said I'm just saying it's like joining a knitting forum and excluding crocheters

Yes, it's to keep the peace, also agreed

I'm in the middle of two private conversations around lead casting and while I swear/swore I'd never dabble in it- it's interesting to read forum members attempts and projects, methods and equipment used

There's a bunch of talent on this forum whether it's birdhouses or CNC machines or bee hives

 

[Susquatch]

Well said Dave,

I'm not arguing with what you said I'm just saying it's like joining a knitting forum and excluding crocheters

Well, strictly speaking we don't exclude them. We just ask that they keep the topic focussed on the metal/wood working aspects and don't wave the red flag in the bull's face.

Most members do a pretty good job of that.

 

[Chicken lights]

Well said Dave,



Well, strictly speaking we don't exclude them. We just ask that they keep the topic focussed on the metal/wood working aspects and don't wave the red flag in the bull's face.

Most members do a pretty good job of that.

Agreed, but it's interesting to see other members hobbies, metal working or not

As you said, there are other forums more appropriate to certain subjects

anyway the leafs lost again so there's that

 

[Susquatch]

Agreed, but it's interesting to see other members hobbies, metal working or not

Absolutely!

anyway the leafs lost again so there's that

I don't watch baseball, so I didn't know. So ya, there is that.......

 

[Chicken lights]

I don't watch baseball, so I didn't know. So ya, there is that.......

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You're thinking nascar

 

[Tom O]

So why stop there? Politics, religion, guns, but no sex? Why does sex get a free ride? I’m pretty sure in this day and age sex topics are more controversial that guns or religion. What does the management cater to some groups but not others?

If someone gets offended by guns they should not be on a machining forum full stop.

Nobody complains because in our own ways we are all Dicks! Lol

 

[cuslog]

I've gotta say: I was surprised and rather disappointed to learn that firearms / gunsmithing were a forbidden topic.
For my $.02 cents worth, I don't see why there couldn't be a sub-forum for that and if you're not interested no one is forcing you to look at it.
There's actually some pretty interesting machining related activities / topics there.

 

[historicalarms]

The idea of a sub-forum has merit for sure....But it is still a disservice to forum members to carte-blanch prohib political issues that dont meet the approval of some members or mods but then allow untold #'s of posts on issues that dont offend them...It is a glaring "double standard" in this forum.

The "disservice" statement should be interesting to every member of this site as unbeknownced to most on here, recent changes in gun laws can put 99% of us into being a criminal without knowing about it....you might think that is "Chicken Little- tinfoil hat speak" but i can pretty much guarantee that I can walk into everyone of your shops and in 2 minutes or less put my hand on a "prohibited devise"...if you want to know more let the mods know to open this up.

Also, for the 3D printer guys, you are next in the sights of every metropolitan police force in the country and the wording they will use to ensnare every one of you in their net even tho you have nor never did have any intension of supplying the dope gangs with plastic gun parts.

 

[Downwindtracker2]

Historicalarms, it is those very comments that I for one find offensive . Unlike most here who went to university to study engineering, I studied history and economics . I have also been involved in politics at the very highest level . I hunt, shoot F-class, and sporterize old military rifles. I'm considered an amateur gunsmith at least by those who ask me to make them a stock. But those politics of paranoia have no place in machining forum. There are more at home on Canadian Gunnutz . BTW, not all that call themselves gunsmiths are even competent machinists !

 

[pdentrem]

I might add that there are quite a few members who think that we should not allow any discussion beyond metal working at all.

So, if I make file handles out of wood, I could be banned by zealots? Politics and religion are simply snakes in a dark rooms. You know it is there, but unsure exactly where.
Pierre

 

[Susquatch]

So, if I make file handles out of wood, I could be banned by zealots? Politics and religion are simply snakes in a dark rooms. You know it is there, but unsure exactly where.
Pierre

Sorry Pierre, I mis-spoke. I have never heard anyone express the view that woodwork to support metalwork should not be permitted. I suppose that view is possible, but I've never heard it, nor do I think we would ever consider it.

What I should have said more precisely is that many have expressed the view that we should not allow thread drift or off-hobby things like our favorite whiskey, baby deer in a hay field, etc etc. This segment of our membership just want to focus on our hobby elements and be strict about other unrelated interests and thread drift. We have not considered a policy like that either. I think the largest segment of our membership like our forum just the way it is.

Sorry for the misleading statement.