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Regal Auctions Calgary - Jan 13 - Hercus Lathe and a couple of mills
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I think lot #325 (4x6 bandsaw) fell off a truck. Unless this is radically new stand-geometry...... pulley looks broken too.
I like these regal auctions...... sometimes just stupid deals (ie: Calgary board of education industrail arts machinery sell offs). Sometimes every crazy hoarder in the city shows up..... Regardless, great people watching day back in the day......
I like these regal auctions...... sometimes just stupid deals (ie: Calgary board of education industrail arts machinery sell offs). Sometimes every crazy hoarder in the city shows up..... Regardless, great people watching day back in the day......
Kao Fong Machinery Vertical Milling Machine
Rusnok Milling Machine
@Tom Kitta is this the one you had for sale?
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calgaryguy
Chris
I went down and had a look at the various pieces in this auction today.
The hercus looks well used to my untrained eye, with some dings and what looks like moderate wear on teh ways. I dont have enough experience to say if the rest had 'excessive wear'.
The lathe was bare with no accesories, BUT there were boxes of gears and steady rest*s* on the pallet with the Delta scroll saw 'bid lot' that I am 95% sure are at least partly for the Hercus.
I put in a moderate bid. I'm not paying stupid calgary prices however.
The hercus looks well used to my untrained eye, with some dings and what looks like moderate wear on teh ways. I dont have enough experience to say if the rest had 'excessive wear'.
The lathe was bare with no accesories, BUT there were boxes of gears and steady rest*s* on the pallet with the Delta scroll saw 'bid lot' that I am 95% sure are at least partly for the Hercus.
I put in a moderate bid. I'm not paying stupid calgary prices however.
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calgaryguy
Chris
Hercus is already past my bid max of $1000. I expect it to be north of 2K or even 3k by close. Lol. I'll pass.
Tom Fitzpatrick
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I went today a viewed the lathe, milling machine and table saws, band saws and belt/disc sanders. The only ones I would enter a bid on are the two General bandsaws - they were dusty, bladeless but in remarkably good shape. Bearings were smooth with no runout. The General brand made in Drummondville Quebec are quality machinery. Everything else was VERY WELL used & questionable (in my opinion). The vertical milling machine on the wooden stand had missing handles and everything moved with a great amount of effort. The Hercus lathe (from Australia) had a ton of metal shavings and grindings under the hood. Most of the dials and handles were very tight and the tailstock was the only thing that moved freely on the bed.
calgaryguy
Chris
Bearings are $30 to replace and trivial to replace on any of the woodworking equipment. I just replaced all the bearings on a 1950's era Beaver bandsaw for under $30 from TSL in Calgary and a couple hours of labour. When it comes to woodworking machinery the bearings are the main wear item. table saw arbors are maybe second. Bandsaws need new tyres every few years, and urethane ones are cheap.
This is 70's and 80's era equipment, what are you expecting? Hand maintained by amish virgins?
I didnt look at the milling machines. No interest on my part. The Hercus, as I noted, looked 'well worn'.
This is 70's and 80's era equipment, what are you expecting? Hand maintained by amish virgins?
I didnt look at the milling machines. No interest on my part. The Hercus, as I noted, looked 'well worn'.
Tom Kitta
Ultra Member
Most / all of these machines are from a school somewhere in Calgary. It is strange that many have broken off parts - I did not know students can be that nasty. Or maybe it was teachers that did not care. Rusnok is not mine, school machine.
Agreed that a lot of this looks well used, some has issues here and there. I am not sure I will be able to get anything to fix it up.
I also have there few lots myself of general tooling. Mostly stuff that was hard to sell on kajiji.
If anyone needs a bandsaw I have standard 7 x 10 king bandsaw for sale for say $900. They are about 2x that new (with tax).
Agreed that a lot of this looks well used, some has issues here and there. I am not sure I will be able to get anything to fix it up.
I also have there few lots myself of general tooling. Mostly stuff that was hard to sell on kajiji.
If anyone needs a bandsaw I have standard 7 x 10 king bandsaw for sale for say $900. They are about 2x that new (with tax).
calgaryguy
Chris
I've been dealing in woodworking equipment 'on the side' for quite a few years now. My father once owned a shop that was the Rockwell/Delta warranty depot for the upper 2/3rds of sask. I know these machines well. The woodworking equipment there, for 70's and 80's vintage is in commensurate condition for its age - no worse than anything I've seen on kijiji or purchased from the KMS 'bargain corner' pile. The odd bearing and belt is all you can expect to replace on this stuff. Woodworking kit gets nowhere near the forces applied that metalworking kit does.
I wouldnt hesitate for a minute to buy the delta unisaw, general 350 tablesaw, rockwell bandsaw or general bandsaws in that auction for a reasonable price regardless of condition. Cleaned up and bearings replaced (if needed) those are 100-1500 items all day long.
The upright belt/disc sanders are quite sought after, and the last one I saw fetch $1000 in Calgary was an open stand late 80's Delta belt/disc combo that is half the quality of the two rockwell/deltas forsale there.
Anyways, getting off on a rant. This is a metalworking forum. The Hercus 260, at $1000 max, might have been worth it for me as a starter lathe to clean up and use. Above that price opoint, I think I'm better off looking for a Vancouver craigslist deal (like the jet someone just posted) or importing something from Ontario.
I wouldnt hesitate for a minute to buy the delta unisaw, general 350 tablesaw, rockwell bandsaw or general bandsaws in that auction for a reasonable price regardless of condition. Cleaned up and bearings replaced (if needed) those are 100-1500 items all day long.
The upright belt/disc sanders are quite sought after, and the last one I saw fetch $1000 in Calgary was an open stand late 80's Delta belt/disc combo that is half the quality of the two rockwell/deltas forsale there.
Anyways, getting off on a rant. This is a metalworking forum. The Hercus 260, at $1000 max, might have been worth it for me as a starter lathe to clean up and use. Above that price opoint, I think I'm better off looking for a Vancouver craigslist deal (like the jet someone just posted) or importing something from Ontario.
Oh believe me @Tom Kitta, as a former shop teacher I can vouch that semi-supervised (note not totally-supervised, that is impossible in a school shop) students can be amazingly hard on equipment. I had things to fix that just baffled me how it "just broke," as they said. I would look long and hard at anything that came out of a high school. College or trade school, I could be a bit more open-minded. But as for machines that are known to be from a high school in recent years, I would not bid high at all and expect hidden surprises.
I know you fix up machines and flip them as part of your endeavors, so I could probably learn a bit from you and your experience, but I'm just saying it from where I stood as the teacher in the shop class. Many students are very good at listening to directions but some are less so and those are the ones who "age" machinery quickly, lol!
I know you fix up machines and flip them as part of your endeavors, so I could probably learn a bit from you and your experience, but I'm just saying it from where I stood as the teacher in the shop class. Many students are very good at listening to directions but some are less so and those are the ones who "age" machinery quickly, lol!
calgaryguy
Chris
The biggest thing with the older woodworking stuff like in the auction (Unisaws, General 350's, bandsaws) is that the castings are so strong compared to the potential force from misuse that 'damage' is often a relative thing. Like I said earlier, wear isnt like on a lathe or mill.
On the tablesaws, unless they've been dropped on their sides in a very hard fashion while being moved, the castings will outlast all of us. Bearings and very occasionally a arbor shaft need replacing due to blades being run whose arbor holes were out of round or worn - which wears the arbor shaft. Thankfully the arbor shafts can be easily machined and dimensional diagrams are available online and used stuff is often available via ebay. I've never had an experience where bearings arent available for these kind of North American made machines from a local bearing supplier. The motors in these units can last a lifetime and often only need new bearings as well to make 'good as new'. rarely, and most often with saws that were in industrial mfg shops, you may have to replace some bushings in the raise/lower castings which is a much more involved job, but still very doable in a simple shop with some pullers and maybe a small arbor press.
The bandsaws are a similar story. Unless they've been dropped while moving they'll be good for lifetimes. The biggest wear items are belts, tyres for the bandsaw wheels, and bearings. The early 50's Callander Foundry (Ontario) Beaver bandsaw I just refurb'd cost me less than $100 for belt, urethane tires (big upgrade), and bearings. It runs like a top and is comparable in quality to the General 490's in the auction.
The sanders and a bit more finnicky. If they havent been well maintained the rollers can get excessive wear. They can be fairly easily machined back to their proper shape on a lathe s they are cast aluminum. Other than that, as long as teh castings arent broken its usually belts and bearings.
I stay away from things like scroll saws. Unless you are doing intarsia or parquetry inlay work they are limited use/capability.
Newer jobsite saws like the Bosch/Rigid/DeWalt stuff is another story. They are meant to be light and portable and essentially disposable when used up. Parts are a pain to get. I honestly wouldnt touch any of the small power tools in an auction like this with a 10ft pole. Too much risk.
I've put bids in on a bunch of the woodworking equipment. If anyone is interested/curious PM me next thurs and I'll let you know what I managed to score (if anything).
On the tablesaws, unless they've been dropped on their sides in a very hard fashion while being moved, the castings will outlast all of us. Bearings and very occasionally a arbor shaft need replacing due to blades being run whose arbor holes were out of round or worn - which wears the arbor shaft. Thankfully the arbor shafts can be easily machined and dimensional diagrams are available online and used stuff is often available via ebay. I've never had an experience where bearings arent available for these kind of North American made machines from a local bearing supplier. The motors in these units can last a lifetime and often only need new bearings as well to make 'good as new'. rarely, and most often with saws that were in industrial mfg shops, you may have to replace some bushings in the raise/lower castings which is a much more involved job, but still very doable in a simple shop with some pullers and maybe a small arbor press.
The bandsaws are a similar story. Unless they've been dropped while moving they'll be good for lifetimes. The biggest wear items are belts, tyres for the bandsaw wheels, and bearings. The early 50's Callander Foundry (Ontario) Beaver bandsaw I just refurb'd cost me less than $100 for belt, urethane tires (big upgrade), and bearings. It runs like a top and is comparable in quality to the General 490's in the auction.
The sanders and a bit more finnicky. If they havent been well maintained the rollers can get excessive wear. They can be fairly easily machined back to their proper shape on a lathe s they are cast aluminum. Other than that, as long as teh castings arent broken its usually belts and bearings.
I stay away from things like scroll saws. Unless you are doing intarsia or parquetry inlay work they are limited use/capability.
Newer jobsite saws like the Bosch/Rigid/DeWalt stuff is another story. They are meant to be light and portable and essentially disposable when used up. Parts are a pain to get. I honestly wouldnt touch any of the small power tools in an auction like this with a 10ft pole. Too much risk.
I've put bids in on a bunch of the woodworking equipment. If anyone is interested/curious PM me next thurs and I'll let you know what I managed to score (if anything).
calgaryguy
Chris
That hercus is a resto project and nowhere worth teh 2500+ fees.
I saw a Standard Modern lathe in ontario kijiji for $3900 yesterday that looked 100x better
To add insult to injury the auctioneer split teh change gears, 4 jaw chuck, and other tooling for the lathe into a seperate lot and its bid up to 300 bucks right now. Thats well over 3k for a lathe that, imo, seems like it needs extensive work.
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Lathe is north of 2700 now, tooling and chuck is over 400. THats, pardon my non-PC language, *retarded* for a lathe in that condition.
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calgaryguy
Chris
Lathe went for 2855 and the boxes of rando accessories (chuck, etc) went for over 700. Crazy
Tom Kitta
Ultra Member
Got Rusnok for 780 plus fees. Now I fix her up. Yes very expensive. More then I wanted to pay for sure. The other milling machine went for 1500 plus fees. It was too much for me as fixing it would cost some time and about 300 CAD. I stopped at 1200. Hercus went for way too much.
Wood equipment was not cheap - remember delta sanders are good but 1000 with fees is a whopping 1200 for used equipment.
Chinese multi purpose junk went for 975. Not only is it new for few hundred more it had issues. Certainly not worth the money. I checked it out.
Bandsaw that had a fight with forklift went for 290. That is 350 with fees (!). Its a tiny one. I can sell you mint 10 x 7 for just 900.
When compared to what other stuff went for I think Rusnok was the cheapest deal out there. I am turning into Rusnok dealer
Wood equipment was not cheap - remember delta sanders are good but 1000 with fees is a whopping 1200 for used equipment.
Chinese multi purpose junk went for 975. Not only is it new for few hundred more it had issues. Certainly not worth the money. I checked it out.
Bandsaw that had a fight with forklift went for 290. That is 350 with fees (!). Its a tiny one. I can sell you mint 10 x 7 for just 900.
When compared to what other stuff went for I think Rusnok was the cheapest deal out there. I am turning into Rusnok dealer
calgaryguy
Chris
Lol, I snagged both sanders.Got Rusnok for 780 plus fees. Now I fix her up. Yes very expensive. More then I wanted to pay for sure. The other milling machine went for 1500 plus fees. It was too much for me as fixing it would cost some time and about 300 CAD. I stopped at 1200. Hercus went for way too much.
Wood equipment was not cheap - remember delta sanders are good but 1000 with fees is a whopping 1200 for used equipment.
Chinese multi purpose junk went for 975. Not only is it new for few hundred more it had issues. Certainly not worth the money. I checked it out.
Bandsaw that had a fight with forklift went for 290. That is 350 with fees (!). Its a tiny one. I can sell you mint 10 x 7 for just 900.
When compared to what other stuff went for I think Rusnok was the cheapest deal out there. I am turning into Rusnok dealer
The old Rockwell is worth every penny as they are quite sought after. Last one I saw of that vintage and shape sell on Edmonton kijiji was 1500. I paid too much for the Newer Delta, but I'll get my money out of it on Kijiji and it'll be a wash. A new roughly equivalent sander to the newer Delta at grizzly.com is 1750 USD (their southbend model), so ~$2300 CDN plus shipping plus tax.
I snagged both Rockwell/Delta Unisaws too. Both for friends. 700 for one and 550 for the other. Those are typically north of 750 each, and the more expensive one has a very nice Biesmeyer fence and a General overarm dust collector/kickback guard. I sold one of the General overarm DC/guards a couple years ago for 350 by itself.
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Thx for the updates gentlemen. I like getting the intel on this type of sale. I remember buying my 4x6 bandsaw from princess auto for $220 -- new.