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Putting a Utilathe back together

Thomas

Thomas

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As I mentioned in my introduction post I recently bought a partially disassembled 9" Utilathe and finally had time today to start working on it. The apron, saddle, and leadscrew were laying in the chip tray so I figured there was an issue there, turns out the feed worm screw had seized in it's bore. I took the apron apart and everything is in good condition aside from the bent stop pin for the feed selector, looks like it had just dry seized from sitting. I cleaned everything with varsol as well as scotchbrite where necessary to remove rust and old sealant. The clutches for the power feed look almost brand new, hopefully this is a common theme as I work my way through the lathe. I'm currently missing the saddle gib, knob for the half nut actuator, ball crank handle for the tailstock, taper attachment, steady rest, follower rest and chuck mounting plate. Tomorrow I will stop back into the shop I bought it from and see if the parts are still kicking around, if I come out empty handed a few members have already let me know they may have parts. Oh and if anyone ever comes across this penetrating oil I highly recommend it, has oil of wintergreen in it and I only know that because of the smell but it works wonders.
 

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Thomas said:
As I mentioned in my introduction post I recently bought a partially disassembled 9" Utilathe and finally had time today to start working on it. The apron, saddle, and leadscrew were laying in the chip tray so I figured there was an issue there, turns out the feed worm screw had seized in it's bore. I took the apron apart and everything is in good condition aside from the bent stop pin for the feed selector, looks like it had just dry seized from sitting. I cleaned everything with varsol as well as scotchbrite where necessary to remove rust and old sealant. The clutches for the power feed look almost brand new, hopefully this is a common theme as I work my way through the lathe. I'm currently missing the saddle gib, knob for the half nut actuator, ball crank handle for the tailstock, taper attachment, steady rest, follower rest and chuck mounting plate. Tomorrow I will stop back into the shop I bought it from and see if the parts are still kicking around, if I come out empty handed a few members have already let me know they may have parts. Oh and if anyone ever comes across this penetrating oil I highly recommend it, has oil of wintergreen in it and I only know that because of the smell but it works wonders.
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So then Thomas where did you get that penetrating oil with oil of wintergreen? Never heard of it before your post.
 
Dusty said:
So then Thomas where did you get that penetrating oil with oil of wintergreen? Never heard of it before your post.
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I bought a case of it years ago at Marden's ( a surplus and salvage store in the USA) I'm down to my last few cans, beats Kroil hands down.
 
"feed worm screw" Are we talking item 17 on page 10 of the manual? I have one of those, also the ball for the half nut lever. What pin is bent? Can you provide an item number and page number in the manual?

You'll also want to start looking for a threading dial as well. Keep a look out for someone selling a machine for parts. That's how I got a lot of items I needed for my machine. My $300 investment helped out a dozen other 9" Utilathe users as well.
 
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That is item 17 on the parts list but I was able to break it free and give it a good cleaning, it's actually in good condition. The pin is a stop for the feed selector lever, I straightened it and drove it back in with some loctite. I'm interested in the half nut ball, will let you know tomorrow.
 

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"You should have bought it, when you saw it, at Marden's" hahahahaha

Oh the shopping trips the ladies attend while the men folk make fire and dance about ! hahaha

FYI you can get a bag of balls (sounds funny) on Amazon the correct size. Bakelite and all - slightly (metric) thread pitch different but can be modded if required .
 
I was able to find the saddle gib and the knob for the half nut lever so it wasn't a wasted trip. I reassembled the apron and started tearing the cross slide off the saddle, everything is in good shape it just has a layer of crud that needs a good soak in varsol to loosen up. I did find a steady rest at the shop that came of an atlas 12" we no longer have and I think I can modify it to work.
 

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I've been curious about that Hylomar. Do the 2 component part ways relatively easy (like a firm tug) or is there quite a bit of adhesion force involving say rubber mallet whacks? I tried some other sealant products but my problem was they stuck TOO good. But there were smaller aluminum shell components I was having a bugger time to release & risking distortion. Is Hylomar kind of like silicone in terms of rubberyness (durometer is probably the better term).

Is the gearbox case itself oil bath filled or you are just keeping it sealed?
 
Hylomar isn't like silicone or permatex, it doesn't harden and two components that are joined with it come apart easily. I do alot of work with babbit bearings and it's the only sealant I will use. I often find bearing caps stuck down with silicone, oil ports blocked with silicone, and many things leaking that were sealed with silicone.....I hate silicone. For your application I think Hylomar will work nicely.
 
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Indeed, wish I had found the chuck mounting plate though!
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Ya, hmmmm, how did they end up with a lathe with no chuck? 1-1/2" 8 TPI back plates are out there but not cheap.
@YotaBota found an Ont source for some very nice 1-1/2" 8 TPI chucks for his 9" Utilathe. I'll see if I can find that thread.

Your machine has a tail stock I hope?
 
YYCHM said:
Ya, hmmmm, how did they end up with a lathe with no chuck? 1-1/2" 8 TPI back plates are out there but not cheap.
@YotaBota found an Ont source for some very nice 1-1/2" 8 TPI chucks for his 9" Utilathe. I'll see if I can find that thread.

Your machine has a tail stock I hope?
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Funny thing is it came with two brand new chucks, I guy who sold it to me said he ordered the chucks and then put the lathe in the back room and never did anything more with it. I'm assuming he couldn't figure out how to mount them and gave up. I would be interested in a Canadian source for the back plates though and yes I do have a tail stock.
 
I can take a look in a few, I think I have a drilled and threaded, un-machined blank in my hoard of things if there's an interest ..
 
140mower said:
I can take a look in a few, I think I have a drilled and threaded, un-machined blank in my hoard of things if there's an interest ..
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I would be interested, the outside diameter of my chuck is 160mm so its a little bigger that the standard 6"
 
canadianhobbymetalworkers.com

1 1/2 8tpi 3 and 4 Jaw Threaded Chucks

Just bought a 40+ year old NIB Buck three jaw chuck from HH Roberts Machine in Ontario. He has the 3 Jaw Buck chuck and the 4 Jaw Atlas both brand new old stock at $190 each. A new Buck goes for around a grand. I bought the 4 jaw Atlas last summer and has worked out well. It took a bit of honing...
canadianhobbymetalworkers.com canadianhobbymetalworkers.com

Very nice chucks. May be worth grabbing a 3J and 4J and selling the chucks you have. If you have a 6" 4J with through bolts, I may be interested in it.

3 and 4 jaw chucks for bench lathes

6" Atlas original 4 jaw lathe chucks and Bison 5" 3 jaw chucks with 1 1/2 x 8 integral mounts
www.hhrobertsmachinery.com
 
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I just pulled the back plate off of this one to bolt to the rotary table..... I just found another, so this one could be available....
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Aside from needing a clean, and having been at the merci of highschool kids, it seems fine. It's a south bend made by skinner.

.....sorry for the hijack. :rolleyes:
 
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