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I never saw Sowa as a manufacuturer; they were distributor who started rebranding made in China tools and charging more. Initially the house brand of a Kitchener tool/industrial supply place irrc. No issue with buying low cost offshore if that's what people want, but it always seemed quite the rub having to pay a premium for it. As a distributor vs manufacturer that imo casts doubt on quality...I mean QA, design etc are not normally a core competency of a distributor . I'm stunned that a Sowa would price themselves the same as a Kurt.

All this stuff seems to have rocketed up in price the last couple of years. I found there are lot of little tool dealers who wouldn't stock things like the Kurt but will bring them in when ordered. I bought a couple of Kurts 5 or 6 years ago and sent an RFQ around to a bunch of them. I think I ended up getting them for about 55% of kbc's price at the time.

The markups on this stuff can be astounding. Trick is to find the guy will take 10% instead of 50%+ margin.

Story illustrating markups..... Years ago I need jaws for a Rohm chuck. Called the number at rohm.com and got a quote for $190 (turns out I was calling the US and that was US$). As they took my address down for the order they said we can't sell to you, you must call the CDN distributor, who is Sowa or whatever the parent company is in Ktchener. Called them, price is $440. I say "what!!! I just got a quote for $190!" without missing a beat he says "we'll match that" and they did, irrc at 190 CDN. They wouldn't sell direct but would through kbc.

Thats why this stuff costs so much.....they came off their list price of 440 to 190 and still had enough juice in it to cut KBC in. Thats better margins that the pharmaceutical industry......heck maybe even better than the recreational pharmaceutical industry lol. I think I'm in the wrong business
 
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I got my Kurt DX6 on a similar deal.

I had just sold my 6" Busy Bee vise to Craig, and I wanted something very much like my Kurt clone to replace it. I kept an eye on Kurt sales in Canada and the US for months, until I found a great deal in the US. This distributor had Canadian outlets, so I called them and they said they would price match in Canadian dollars. However, the shipping was out of Vancouver for a whopping 250$. So I assembled all the data and called Thomas Skinner, and the guy said after a slight hesitation that they would price match and they had stock in Calgary. I got an order number and picked it up an hour later.
 
Wow - great idea Dabbler - get them to match on price but NOT on shipping.

Once you use a quality vise you never want to go back.

Margins in general in a lot of areas are huge. How do you think these guys get rich?
 
The worst is clothing. Ask anyone with family that works for forzani group (sportcheck cDN tire marks). You can buy for your family for cost plus say 10%.

Find a 150 pair of hiking boots, go to the til, 30 bucks

250 Columbia winter jacket, ..... 48 bucks

Brutal markup. I have a tough time buying clothes since I understood how much money there is added.

And there was still profit in there.......


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There are "last year mode" online retailers - especially in the US which sell for 1/3 of new price sports clothing. Note free shipping and obviously profit. So hiking boots for $50 are still loaded with profit.

What do you expect - that it really costs close to $100 today to make a pair of boots? Or a jacket?

Also some items can be had cheap of aliexpress - my mother got a tent of aliexpress for I think 350 with shipping. It is a large tent - for car camping. She was the first one to order it. Quality is *amazing* it is way, way better then say MEC. Not to mention garbage from crappy tire. And it was like 1/2 the cost of MEC.

Back to machining,

Sometimes I feel markup is not that much IF the tools have a huge popularity & there is ton of competition - like say carbide end mills - it feels everyone is making these & only few pp nowadays would consider totally over priced and under performing US made carbide stuff.
 
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