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Leblond Regal Lathe, Ottawa, Crown Assets
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SightlessSeer
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SightlessSeer
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Managed to get it off of the trailer, onto the ground, and into the garage today with the help of a truck repairman whose shop is about a block down the road from my place. He had a backhoe big enough to lift it. Once it was on the ground we rolled it on water pipes into the garage. It's going to take some converting before I can get it up an running. I currently have 120 V single phase into the garage, so step one will be wiring a subpanel with 240 V on it. After that figure out a motor solution. Right now I'm leaning towards a 2 HP single phase farm duty motor to replace the 600 V 3 phase monster that came with it, but we'll see what happens. Sadly, the coolant pump is also 600 V 3 phase and I don't think it'll be as easy to swap that motor out.
slow-poke
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One option is a 600V transformer and VFDs for the two motors. Might be cheaper and easier than swapping out the motors. Used 600V VFDs often sell for cheap on eBay (not a lot of demand) and I have had 100% success with used name brand VFDs.
Bigger (10x) more than you need but good for perspective
www.kijiji.ca
www.kijiji.ca
Bigger (10x) more than you need but good for perspective
3 used transformers | Other | Ottawa | Free local classifieds - Kijiji
30KVA 600V 120/208 transformers, looking for $500 each OBO
5HP 600V Sensorless Vector Drive | Other Business & Industrial | Stratford | Free local classifieds - Kijiji
Used Benshaw 600V drive. Previously used with 240V-600V single phase transformer to power 3-phase surface grinder.
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SightlessSeer
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Looks like a pretty decent option. I'll have to look into what is involved. I saw a 2 HP 240 V single phase motor for sale used for not too much with the right shaft size, so I might look at that for the main drive and cross the coolant bridge when we get to it.One option is a 600V transformer and VFDs for the two motors. Might be cheaper and easier than swapping out the motors. Used 600V VFDs often sell for cheap on eBay (not a lot of demand) and I have had 100% success with used name brand VFDs.
Bigger (10x) more than you need but good for perspective
3 used transformers | Other | Ottawa | Free local classifieds - Kijiji
30KVA 600V 120/208 transformers, looking for $500 each OBO
5HP 600V Sensorless Vector Drive | Other Business & Industrial | Stratford | Free local classifieds - Kijiji
Used Benshaw 600V drive. Previously used with 240V-600V single phase transformer to power 3-phase surface grinder.
Martin w
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Transformers are a great alternative. I’m not an electrician , but only thing with using a transformer in reverse is the grounding. Normally they are 600 volt HV in and 208 LV out. You would be running it in reverse.You should have a system where if one line gets shorted to ground you have a way of telling. I have a system with 3 lights that are always lit up. If one is shorted to ground it won,t be lit up. Running in reverse you have no way of knowing until you become the ground by touching a metal housing or something. An industrial electrician can set you up. They do make step up transformers but they are extremely expensive. I have a 208 step up to 440 volts for a machine in my business. I forget what it cost new, but it was in the thousands. I think it’s a Hammond.
Martin
Martin
If it was me, the coolant would die now and forever. I don't use it and don't miss it. A brush or dropper is adequate for my needs.
+1 on getting 230 into the shop and getting a 230 3ph motor with VFD for it.
slow-poke
Ultra Member
I think this is the best option, having variable speed is well worth the $100 or so for a VFD.
If you then feel you want/need the coolant pump a small transformer should be adequate because the coolant pump (I would think is fractional HP)
In the 2nd link in my previous post, the guy states he used a transformer and VFD for his 600V surface grinder motor, I would enquire if he still has the transformer because if you could get both transformer and VFD from him you could use both of your existing motors sounds like the $200 solution with variable speed. That VFD appears to be decent quality (UL approved and SVC)
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SightlessSeer
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Here are a couple. There are some more and more recent ones in this thread on HM where I'm making a bunch of the accessories, which I didn't get with the machine.
On the other hand, I wouldn't mind picking up one of the Hardinge heads, which takes its power from the horizontal spindle and clamps to the column dovetail. I doubt that it's any more useful than the Bridgeport head, but I think it would be cool to have. I've also managed to pick up the Hardinge dividing head with the auxiliary input, and one of the lead cutting gearboxes (missing most of the change gears though). I'm not sure that I will ever use the gear box, but it is cool to have.
On a related note, if any body has the tailstock, which pairs with the Hardinge dividing head and would like to get rid of it, I'd be interested for the right price.
I thought I'd share a bit more photo evidence of moving day.
First, I loaded the tractor onto the trailer and headed North:
I dropped the tractor off at @SightlessSeer 's place and we headed across the city to the NRC.
Next a couple photos just after loading the lathe:
However, we quickly found out that the lathe was too heavy for my front-end loader!
We pulled off the lathe tailstock and chuck, and then the motor, but still could not lift it.
We had both looked up the lathe specs which claimed 2000lbs + 90lb for the extra foot of bed casting.
The tractordata site showed 2200lbs lift for the BL25L fel, however mine is a BL25R.
I did finally find a BL25R manual that claims:
Even with those updated numbers I would expect it to work without the tailstock, chuck and motor!
But dang that cast iron base has ~3/8" thick walls.
When trying to lift it would unload the trailer suspension a great deal, but we never saw daylight between the machine and trailer deck. I may need investigate if I have a tired hydraulic pump.......
We did not want to start taking more apart as there is wiring up and down thru both headstock and tailstock bases.
We called it a day and I left my trailer and tractor at his house for the night.
We had thought about ways to gently slide it off the back of the trailer using the tractor and/or our two 2000lb lift engine hoists, but first followed another idea. @SightlessSeer had noticed a large tractor at a nearby shop, so we stopped by to ask, and we met someone willing to help!
This bigger JD410 had no trouble plucking the lathe off the trailer:
and after a short walk
the lathe was placed on roller pipes just outside its' new home:
Using the Hardinge mill as an anchor we winched the lathe into the shop.
A fun day and a half, even if everything didn't go exactly as planned!
Brian
First, I loaded the tractor onto the trailer and headed North:
I dropped the tractor off at @SightlessSeer 's place and we headed across the city to the NRC.
Next a couple photos just after loading the lathe:
However, we quickly found out that the lathe was too heavy for my front-end loader!
We pulled off the lathe tailstock and chuck, and then the motor, but still could not lift it.
We had both looked up the lathe specs which claimed 2000lbs + 90lb for the extra foot of bed casting.
The tractordata site showed 2200lbs lift for the BL25L fel, however mine is a BL25R.
I did finally find a BL25R manual that claims:
Even with those updated numbers I would expect it to work without the tailstock, chuck and motor!
But dang that cast iron base has ~3/8" thick walls.
When trying to lift it would unload the trailer suspension a great deal, but we never saw daylight between the machine and trailer deck. I may need investigate if I have a tired hydraulic pump.......
We did not want to start taking more apart as there is wiring up and down thru both headstock and tailstock bases.
We called it a day and I left my trailer and tractor at his house for the night.
We had thought about ways to gently slide it off the back of the trailer using the tractor and/or our two 2000lb lift engine hoists, but first followed another idea. @SightlessSeer had noticed a large tractor at a nearby shop, so we stopped by to ask, and we met someone willing to help!
This bigger JD410 had no trouble plucking the lathe off the trailer:
and after a short walk
the lathe was placed on roller pipes just outside its' new home:
Using the Hardinge mill as an anchor we winched the lathe into the shop.
A fun day and a half, even if everything didn't go exactly as planned!
Brian
Ya, that's brand new and "at the pivot pins". NOBODY lifts at the pivot pins.
Not recommending this, but..... Sometimes you can use a winch or a come-along to assist the tractor hydraulics. I moved a big 16x8 shed with a double floor and insulated walls and ceiling and interior sheeting with my Deere 5210 that way. Rear weights help. But you have to be mindful that you can break things that way.
