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Iron Casting

Tobho Mott

Active Member
Following up after buying ingredients for iron rated greensand here:

And mulling up ~450 pounds of the stuff...

And building the tools for my new A12 crucible that has been saved for iron service...

All that was left was to temper that new crucible, ram up some test molds, and get to it!

Ideally to prepare a new clay graphite crucible for use, first you stick it in the oven at 250 for a few hours to make sure its's really dry, then SLOWLY warm it up to a red heat, then you can take it up to operating temperature before sealing it up overnight in the hot furnace to slow cool.

My furnaces don't really do "slow heating" so the way I do the first part is to put the baked dry crucible into a hot empty furnace that's just been shut down...

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Then close off the tuyere and vent hole for an hour, and then it should be hot enough to fire the furnace back up and really get it hot.

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First time I'd used that furnace for anything other than a big forge in several years, and also the first time in years I'd run any furnace of mine on diesel instead of propane. I'll need to get used to running my burners in oil burner mode again anyhow to do cast iron. The big furnace was as slow to get up to temp as I remembered.

With that done, I picked out a few patterns I had lying around.

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Matchplates for sprue covers (can never have too many) and pattern rapping tools, and a skull shaped ashtray. Molds were made, and left to sit and dry out for a couple weeks. I could have done that faster with a torch; the sand was fairly wet to start with, but I knew it would be a few days til I could find time for a melt anyway.

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By that time, I'd had time to bust up some scrap brake rotors, which is what I've chosen to work with for its ubiquity and consistent alloy.

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Figured a couple more molds lined up couldn't hurt. Rammed up a little decorative maple leaf pattern and a chill wedge to break and examine for chill (white way too hard iron). Then it was time for the first attempted iron melt! I chickened out and used the smaller furnace but I don't like abusing it like that, it heats up fast but it's really built for lighter duty.

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Partial success! I was sure the smaller molds had filled and the bigger one hadn't. It had a cold riser on the far side that never filled, I used the last of the iron that I had melted to dump down that in desparation (though by then it was starting to cool and get slushy) as I'd skimmed off a good 25% of my charge as slag and dross and run out before I got to the leaf or the chill wedge, though the crud was so foamy it looked more like half.

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Well, I had it backwards. The smaller molds both misrun, figure I must have poured a hundred degrees or so too cold. But also somehow the ashtray did fill, and I dont see any seams or cold shuts where the 2 pours met. That's not a good technique, but this was just a test pour and it seems I got away with it.

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I used a little borax for flux and some perlite as a slag coagulant, but after conferring with a couple of other iron casters I think next time I'll skip both and see how it goes. I added 40g of 75% ferrosilicon inoculant based on the initial 20# charge of iron, though only about 15 ever got poured. So maybe a little more ferrosilicon than I needed. But everywhere I fractured it I saw nice soft grey iron. No wedge to break, so I smashed up some of the gating to have a look inside it.

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The only white (chill) I saw was in a small puddle of frozen iron that ended up on top of the mold, not inside it. I'm happier about that than I am upset about the first 2 molds not filling, next time I'll simply try for hotter to fix that, but chilled iron would have been a bummer trying to solve if too much ferrosilicon didn't get rid of it...

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To sum up, it's not quite ready for prime time yet, but I can sort of cast iron now!

I'm leaving out some details about the wardrobe malfunctions that happened during the melt. Not quite as scandalous as Janet J's, but I will say that my assless chaps were just about hanging down around my ankles by the time I poured these. :)

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Nice results! Seems like a long journey to get there, but worth it I'm sure. One day I would like to have Iron casting capabilities, but it's a long way down the priority list right now. Following in the footsteps of people like you that share their trials, and tribulations will shorten that journey though, so thanks for sharing.
 
Following up after buying ingredients for iron

Just curious about nozzle size of your burner also were did you get your ferrosilcon.

Looks like you got good results almost no white and I would be curious to see how much porosity is in your cast iron if it would be any good for machining.
 
Just curious about nozzle size of your burner also were did you get your ferrosilcon.

Looks like you got good results almost no white and I would be curious to see how much porosity is in your cast iron if it would be any good for machining.
No nozzle at all, it's a gravity fed drip injector that requires a preheated furnace, not an atomizer that requires compressed air or a fuel pump. I use a little propane to preheat, and once the furnace is glowing hot enough to vaporize oil drips I ease the oil on and the gas off and add more forced air.

Oil regulated by a needle valve runs through the tiny central tube. Air (and propane, during preheat) come through the 1" black pipe.

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Ferrosilicon came from Foundry Supply Source in Milton ON.

Is it good soft machinable grey iron and internally sound? Too early to start bragging yet after just one melt, but that's always been the goal. The ingates showed no voids and the bits of gating I tested hacksawed and drilled easily enough, is all I can say for sure so far. I'd love to know too. But that's all the "machining" I'm really equipped for. I know I can make aluminum and bronze castings without (significant) porosity issues revealing themselves during machining, and that's mainly about proper gating and melt practices. So I think I should be able to do it right with CI too... but I'm new to iron and may have blind spots I don't know about yet. There's definitely some different chemistry going on than in nonferrous casting. I'm told looking for chill on factures or even a proper chill wedge only gives limited useful info about how machinable the casting might be. So, more testing is in order. I don't have a programmable kiln yet that I can use to stress relieve iron castings either (or burn out investment molds). Someone's probably gonna have to take a chance and bring me a pattern for an iron part they want to machine before we can really find out for sure :).

I do already have someone coming on Tuesday to get as many molds poured in iron as we can manage during the day, but that is for another artist project, not parts.

Jeff
 
No nozzle at all, it's a gravity fed drip injector that requires a preheated furnace, not an atomizer that requires compressed air or a manage during the day, but that is for another artist
MK wasn't sure if if you were spraying me and my buddy are screwing around with an old oil furnace pump melting stuff nothing came out great yet still lots to learn. End goal being iron but I think we need to resign what we got lol.

Pretty simple to build a heat treat oven basically PID and thermocouple and elements. Other option is find old pottery kiln and use it they come up cheap from time to time.

I would try casting lathe backing plates and let others ave suggested angle plates or other fixturing stuff could even try making vee block blanks all kinda of small stuff to be made lol
 
I've been waiting years for my father in law to realize he's never going to use his old pottery kiln again that's been used as a shelf in his basement since the late 80's... :)

It should be possible to use a home heating furnace burner with a bit of tinkering if you stick to burning ie..diesel, but the nozzles for pumped fuel will clog up if you use waste oil, that's why most people use the siphon type nozzle instead for foundry. There used to be a great YouTube video showing how to make a burner like that on a channel called SVSeeker, featuring the late great (Super) Dave Allen, who I knew as Dallen on the old alloyavenue forums. RIP. Sadly it appears the SVSeeker channel got taken down. Keith Rucker also has a video where he builds a similar siphon nozzle burner for waste oil based on Dallen's design, so that should still be easy to find and copy if you want to mess with oil burners and are willing to use compressed air to run the siphon. There is an O-ring somewhere in the nozzle or maybe the adapter you need to go with it that will burn up if you don't pull the burner out of the furnace as soon as you turn the blower off, something to watch out for. You do need a blower for combustion air as well as the compressed air that runs the siphon.

Here's David D's diy version of an atomizing siphon nozzle, which he calls the Kwiky all fuel.burner:

And here's a hot shot burner similar to mine. I have some videos about my drip burners too, but this is the guy I copied a lot of my setup from years ago and learned how to run these burners from. He still posts on the home foundry forums occasionally as Rasper:

Jeff
 
. Someone's probably gonna have to take a chance and bring me a pattern for an iron part they want to machine before we can really find out for sure :).
wish I'd seen this sooner, I have some relatively small parts (65mm / 2-5/8" OD) want cast in iron and I have 3d modeled but probably need to scale for shrinkage and need to add draft angle to them and maybe just more mass on the outside... Might be too tricky as they have pretty small cross sections (wheel spokes). still, I'm not in a hurry and can connect with you in time as I'm in the east end but won't be available on or before Tuesday.
I wanted to CNC them, but the machining time is crazy as its using 1.5 and 2mm end mills and basically making dust to carve the part.

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Awesome! If you can add a couple degrees of draft, fillet/radius any sharp corners, and add any machining allowance needed, I'd be happy to give it a try. Send me a DM if you want to try and set something up. My weekends in July are pretty slammed this year but for this kind of thing I can make time for.

From what I've read, the shrink allowance for cast iron should be 1/8" per foot, or (googles the math) 104%. At the size part you're talking about it's probably easier to machine the entire central hole out of the casting rather than cast it in place. The spokes might be tricky, but there no better way to find out for sure than to try it!

Not sure if you're talking about making dust cutting the final parts or just the patterns on a CNC, but if building the pattern(s) is a problem, I might be able to 3D print it/them. If so the shrink allowance can be done in the slicer software. Not the most ideal way to go due to layer lines (especially between the spokes) and sometimes warpage, but I've had some success molding 3D printed patterns before.

I have a friend who made a similar pattern out of fiberglass, using a mold he milled out of homemade machinable wax. :)

Jeff
 
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