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[skippyelwell]

What is that old saying "It never rains but it pours" I brought home so much cool stuff today, I'm pumped!
This morning I p/u all my goodies from Simple Auctions, either it's me or those photos didn't really show the size of the items in proportion. The 4 jaw lathe chuck is 8" in dia, I thought maybe 6", the angle plate 16" tall and weighs 84lbs,
the level is a foot long, I thought perhaps 8"
Not complaining, it just took me by surprise.

Then I drove up to Penetanguishene to put a deposit on a Craftex CT054 milling machine, it is 16 yrs old and has never made a single metal chip yet.
It was purchased by a company that thought they would produce their own widgets instead of paying so much to a machinist, but they couldn't find a qualified machinist who would work for what they they wanted pay them.
So it sat for 8 yrs with a tarp over unused, the guy I bought it from, Gerry, picked it up for a friend that was looking for a milling machine but the friend mean while had bought his own machine, so Gerry was stuck with it.
He has 6 very large CNC mills for his business, https://addleyprecision.com/
so the Craftex machine sat in a back room with a tarp over it, unused for another 8yrs.

I'm certainly going to use it.
It comes with a big vice, a kit of collects for R8 and bunch of end mills, bits and cutters.
The new version of this machine is now $6,400 on sale, twice what I paid, has a smaller motor and generally not built as well as this one is.
Gerry is going to deliver it to my place this coming week and roll it into my shop and set it down where it belongs.
So pumped.

 

[skippyelwell]

Some more pics,

 

[DavidR8]

Wow, awesome score, well done!

 

[slow-poke]

Very nice, I have a similar mill except mine was covered in grease when It was delivered.

Mine was also sitting unused for a long time. My friendly machinist neighbour suggested I pull the spindle to make sure the grease had not gone old and dry. It was good advice and is simple to do. I was rewarded for my effort to find some really expensive upgraded made in Germany spindle bearings that cost about what I paid for the mill. YMMV.

BTW, I'm really happy with it.

 

[Proxule]

I pull the spindle to make sure the grease had not gone old and dry.

Such an overlooked and misunderstood topic and amazing wisdom !

 

[Susquatch]

You said it, so I won't.

You can download and use this next time....

 

[TorontoBuilder]

What is that old saying "It never rains but it pours" I brought home so much cool stuff today, I'm pumped!
This morning I p/u all my goodies from Simple Auctions, either it's me or those photos didn't really show the size of the items in proportion. The 4 jaw lathe chuck is 8" in dia, I thought maybe 6", the angle plate 16" tall and weighs 84lbs,
the level is a foot long, I thought perhaps 8"
Not complaining, it just took me by surprise.

Then I drove up to Penetanguishene to put a deposit on a Craftex CT054 milling machine, it is 16 yrs old and has never made a single metal chip yet.
It was purchased by a company that thought they would produce their own widgets instead of paying so much to a machinist, but they couldn't find a qualified machinist who would work for what they they wanted pay them.
So it sat for 8 yrs with a tarp over unused, the guy I bought it from, Gerry, picked it up for a friend that was looking for a milling machine but the friend mean while had bought his own machine, so Gerry was stuck with it.
He has 6 very large CNC mills for his business, https://addleyprecision.com/
so the Craftex machine sat in a back room with a tarp over it, unused for another 8yrs.

I'm certainly going to use it.
It comes with a big vice, a kit of collects for R8 and bunch of end mills, bits and cutters.
The new version of this machine is now $6,400 on sale, twice what I paid, has a smaller motor and generally not built as well as this one is.
Gerry is going to deliver it to my place this coming week and roll it into my shop and set it down where it belongs.
So pumped.

What time were you a simple auctions. I'm glad you scored some items there. I true to my word only bid on the 8m taps, which I got in two lots, and the slitting saws, and I lost the two lots of new taps, but knew my brother bought the other lots of used taps.

Good score on the craftex mill. That it comes with tooling means you save that expense somewhat. Free delivery awesome

 

[Mike R]

Nice score. Do yourself another favor and check the jaws of the vise to see if they are square. I have a smaller version of that vise from busy bee about the same vintage and I needed to tune it up as the jaws were way off square. Made a nice project for the surface grinder.

 

[skippyelwell]

Very nice, I have a similar mill except mine was covered in grease when It was delivered.

Mine was also sitting unused for a long time. My friendly machinist neighbour suggested I pull the spindle to make sure the grease had not gone old and dry. It was good advice and is simple to do. I was rewarded for my effort to find some really expensive upgraded made in Germany spindle bearings that cost about what I paid for the mill. YMMV.

BTW, I'm really happy with it.

Good idea, once it's here I'm going to go through every system before I power it up.
It has an oiling system which is pretty cool but I think I'll empty it an blow out the lines, it turns out the mill is actually 19 yrs old, 11yrs with the first company, 8yrs with Gerry.
A lot can happen in 19yrs.

I bought that box of old oil cans and junk for $10 from the auction and found this little gem at the bottom. Works perfectly with a nice needle like stream of oil, will be ideal for the lathe.

 

[Martin w]

That's great, well done.

 

[Dabbler]

Very nice score! I had an earlier version of that mill, a B048. It was a great machine. I know you will like it!

 

[skippyelwell]

Nice score. Do yourself another favor and check the jaws of the vise to see if they are square. I have a smaller version of that vise from busy bee about the same vintage and I needed to tune it up as the jaws were way off square. Made a nice project for the surface grinder.

Just as you said, they were way off.
I tore it apart, cleaned and regreased everything and did a little correcting with the stationary belt sander, good enough for me.
The vise has been used before, I guess he just threw it in to sweeten the deal.

 

[skippyelwell]

They delivered my new baby today, he threw in a bunch of end mills which look perfectly sharp to me but to Gerry, they are not good enough to use on work he produces for paying customers.
The mill is filthy, still a lot of packing grease to remove.
And a nice bonus, it measures in metric as well as Imperial.
Now I just have to reorganize the shop to find a spot for it.

 

[TorontoBuilder]

They delivered my new baby today, he threw in a bunch of end mills which look perfectly sharp to me but to Gerry, they are not good enough to use on work he produces for paying customers.
The mill is filthy, still a lot of packing grease to remove.
And a nice bonus, it measures in metric as well as Imperial.
Now I just have to reorganize the shop to find a spot for it.
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very nice.. I need to pay a visit to your shop someday soon

If the milling cutters need sharpening I'd be happy to have you visit our shop to sharpen some on our surface grinder, once we swap our monster machine for our more practical sized machine sometime this month.

 

[Susquatch]

Cool to see that is possible.

But the author is lousy. Way too much here, this edge, this here, that over there, line up correctly. Etc Etc.

How much here? Where is there? What is correctly? No magnifier, no pointers, no drawings, no closeups, no nothing. WTF? Am I supposed to read his mind?

The most important thing I learned is that he thinks I can use my surface grinder to sharpen endmills.THAT WOULD BE COOL!

But I wasted my time watching what I cannot see.

That said, it really is cool to think it's possible - if I only knew how.....

I like the cool fixture on the magnetic chuck.

Maybe something like that could sharpen drill bits?

He got 5C because that's what he already had. But I have ER and 5C. If you were getting one, would you get ER or 5C instead?

Edit - where do they sell this fixture?

 

[TorontoBuilder]

Cool to see that is possible.

But the author is lousy. Way too much here, this edge, this here, that over there, line up correctly. Etc Etc.

How much here? Where is there? What is correctly? No magnifier, no pointers, no drawings, no closeups, no nothing. WTF? Am I supposed to read his mind?

The most important thing I learned is that he thinks I can use my surface grinder to sharpen endmills.THAT WOULD BE COOL!

But I wasted my time watching what I cannot see.

That said, it really is cool to think it's possible - if I only knew how.....

I like the cool fixture on the magnetic chuck.

Maybe something like that could sharpen drill bits?

He got 5C because that's what he already had. But I have ER and 5C. If you were getting one, would you get ER or 5C instead?

Edit - where do they sell this fixture?

fundamentally, I prefer 5C to ER collet and I can see no need to use ER collet over the 5C version. I have also seen plenty of 5C versions of this fixture on kijiji and not a single one ER collet version

This video is enough for a smart fellow like you to figure out how to grind your end mills. This alone is one primary reason I wanted a surface grinder. I've been looking for a year to find a air bearing to sharpen side relief angles on the flutes too.

 

[Susquatch]

I prefer 5C to ER collet and I can see no need to use ER collet over the 5C version. I have also seen plenty of 5C versions of this fixture on kijiji and not a single one ER collet version

Looks like Accusize sells the 5C version.

2330-0050, End Mill Grinding Fixture

When you choose Indexable End Mill Sharpening Fixture, it works as the following tools (and solutions): Indexable End Mill Sharpening Fixture, etc.

accusizetools.com

Other outfits like KBC sell them too.

But if I can find one on Kijiji it should be more affordable.

This video is enough for a smart fellow like you to figure out how to grind your end mills.

Well, that assumes I ignore all the pundits who say it's a black art and you need a 15K tool and cutter grinder to do it correctly.

But ya, if it's possible on a surface grinder, with a sub 100 fixture, then my aversion to sharpening endmills starts to fade away.

I am looking at sharpening drill bits in a new light too.....

 

[Susquatch]

They delivered my new baby today,

I'm having some trouble with that last picture of yours.



Here is a close up.

Looking at the metric scale, the detail shows that one graduation = 0.02mm. There are 10 intervals.

10 x 0.02 = 0.2

But the main dial says 1.0. What the heck is going on? Is one radius and the other diameter?

And how do the metric and imperial scales line up? Are they internally geared?

 

[Dabbler]

And how do the metric and imperial scales line up? Are they internally geared?

Nope. that is a very rare feature. One or the other is not an even amount per turn, e.g. .100 and 24.5mm. I don't trust these dial graduations... He will have to check them with a plunge indicator...

 

[Dabbler]

Colchester used to offer it as an option. I looked at how much it would take to make one, but no... but with metal 3d print, however...