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fixing a folding shovel the wrong way (making a hirth joint)

before I got mine I was seriously considering making one from scratch; linear bearings are pretty cheap nowadays...

That is probably what I will do. I wouldn't need it to do everything those ones do. Basically just engrave cylinders. Synchronizing the roll with the lateral engraving is the hard part.
 
for what it's worth, I bought both of mine (GVWU + GVW150) for 700$, which I think was a fair ish price. pantograph machines are virtually useless and basically worth scrap, and these are even more niche than pantos...
if you wanna buy one the real difficult thing is finding one in Canada. I have been keeping an eye out for years and in probably the past 7 years I have seen TWO 6021/GVWUs for sale (including the one I bought).

before I got mine I was seriously considering making one from scratch; linear bearings are pretty cheap nowadays...
To be honest what caught my eye was the dividing head mounted to the face of the milling machine. In looking a bit more it appears to be a Fredrich Deckel Milling machine. Both appear to be very similar to my Tos FN20 milling machine that was made in Czechoslovakia, because being a communist country importation into the USA was prohibited. https://www.casavola.com/en/listings/1448189-buone-toolroom-milling-machine-tos-celakovice-fn-20

The configuration of this type of milling machine offers many advantages over the Bridgeport design. Could you tell me a little about your machine, where you purchased it and how long ago. Until now I have never see the Deckel and suspect that the TOS FN20 that I have is really a copy of the Deckel. I had no idea how the engraving is done on parts assuming today that is it a CNC hobby engraver.

Sorry to digress from the body of your thread. I do like the shovel coupling though.

TonyK.


Grimsby Ontario Canada.
 
That is probably what I will do. I wouldn't need it to do everything those ones do. Basically just engrave cylinders. Synchronizing the roll with the lateral engraving is the hard part.
or do like any sane person and make some sort of cnc router haha


Could you tell me a little about your machine, where you purchased it and how long ago. Until now I have never see the Deckel and suspect that the TOS FN20 that I have is really a copy of the Deckel.
Good eye - my mill is a 1955(?) deckel FP1. I got it in 2020 from the estate of a guy who had worked at E. Leitz Canada (now raytheon elcan) for something like 50 years, which is super cool since I use/fix/modify Leica cameras. the mill also came with an almost complete tooling cabinet which has almost every accessory in the deckel catalogue, except for the spiral milling attachment. I've wanted an FP1 specifically since I heard about them back in uni, and I feel so lucky to have gotten this one in particular...

your TOS caught my eye in your shaper thread. It's not a 1:1 copy of any deckel (which DO exist - the alexander master toolmaker for example), but a derivative sort of like the TOS FNK compared to a bridgeport. I've used a couple TOS machines and have a pretty good opinion of them.

some random pictures cause why not:
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modifying a camera back

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testing out the slotting head (havent used it in ages haha)


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milling a turbo flange on an exhaust header for a 3 rotor uhhh whatever you would call an extended 13B.. 21B? I forget

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repairing a broken pinion shaft on an instax back

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hex milling to make a collet block ...
 
or do like any sane person and make some sort of cnc router haha



Good eye - my mill is a 1955(?) deckel FP1. I got it in 2020 from the estate of a guy who had worked at E. Leitz Canada (now raytheon elcan) for something like 50 years, which is super cool since I use/fix/modify Leica cameras. the mill also came with an almost complete tooling cabinet which has almost every accessory in the deckel catalogue, except for the spiral milling attachment. I've wanted an FP1 specifically since I heard about them back in uni, and I feel so lucky to have gotten this one in particular...

your TOS caught my eye in your shaper thread. It's not a 1:1 copy of any deckel (which DO exist - the alexander master toolmaker for example), but a derivative sort of like the TOS FNK compared to a bridgeport. I've used a couple TOS machines and have a pretty good opinion of them.

some random pictures cause why not:
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modifying a camera back

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testing out the slotting head (havent used it in ages haha)


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milling a turbo flange on an exhaust header for a 3 rotor uhhh whatever you would call an extended 13B.. 21B? I forget

View attachment 62354
repairing a broken pinion shaft on an instax back

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hex milling to make a collet block ..

Thank you for the write up and additional pictures. The dividing head is identical to the one on my TOS FN20. All of the tooling? What a great find. My machine was purchased by a local Machine Shop Grimsby Machine Shop located in Winona just next to Grimsby. Purchased in 1977 for $27,000 to do a specific task that was done by apprentices when things were slow, the company ran out of work for it 5 years later and it sat until 1992 in the corner of the shop unused. Too big for most in the hobby and too small for a machine shop I purchased it for $1750. I look from time time for other tooling but normally find it in Europe and it is expensive. Shipping would be a killer.

TonyK.

Grimsby Ontario Canada.
 
or do like any sane person and make some sort of cnc router haha



Good eye - my mill is a 1955(?) deckel FP1. I got it in 2020 from the estate of a guy who had worked at E. Leitz Canada (now raytheon elcan) for something like 50 years, which is super cool since I use/fix/modify Leica cameras. the mill also came with an almost complete tooling cabinet which has almost every accessory in the deckel catalogue, except for the spiral milling attachment. I've wanted an FP1 specifically since I heard about them back in uni, and I feel so lucky to have gotten this one in particular...

your TOS caught my eye in your shaper thread. It's not a 1:1 copy of any deckel (which DO exist - the alexander master toolmaker for example), but a derivative sort of like the TOS FNK compared to a bridgeport. I've used a couple TOS machines and have a pretty good opinion of them.

some random pictures cause why not:
View attachment 62349
modifying a camera back

View attachment 62352
testing out the slotting head (havent used it in ages haha)


View attachment 62353
milling a turbo flange on an exhaust header for a 3 rotor uhhh whatever you would call an extended 13B.. 21B? I forget

View attachment 62354
repairing a broken pinion shaft on an instax back

View attachment 62373
hex milling to make a collet block ...
I have dabbled and totally rebuilt a Rotary engine, 13B from an FC put into a 1985 1/2 FB that I spend 2 years restoring. Three rotor engines are called 20B.

I was so inspired by your post I had to do some google searching and found this of the FP1 Friedrich Deckel. Small 1/12th, and coming from Japan. Hope the link works.

Scroll down to see the item.


TonyK.

Grimsby Ontario Canada.
 
yeah one of the many ironies here is that the shovel is actually worse than it was new because it's even shorter now
I don't see the problem here, now that you're practised up another piece of pipe to what ever length you need to be comfortable, matching joints and viola - you have an extension.! :D

Very nicely done.
 
I have dabbled and totally rebuilt a Rotary engine, 13B from an FC put into a 1985 1/2 FB that I spend 2 years restoring. Three rotor engines are called 20B.
PICTURES !
I am tempted to do a 6.5 B peripheral port.
Were you ever on Paul Lamars newsgroup ?
 
PICTURES !
I am tempted to do a 6.5 B peripheral port.
Were you ever on Paul Lamars newsgroup ?
Never on Paul Lamars news group. ( loner)

Engine rebuild here I do have a directory of the complete restoration of about 20 video's of the 1985 1/2 Mazda XR7 FB I will look for the link to it.


I also make my own exhaust systems from 304 Stainless Steel. This one is for a normally aspirated 1.5 L Fiat X1/9 ( pistons, camshaft, megasquirt and so on)



See if this link works to the restoration play list, there are 22 video's. The project took me 2 years of my spare time as I was working at the time. I put $30K of my money into the restoration for my son Scott. He still has the car, currently working, 2 kids, busy job and travels alot, he is hoping to spend some time driving it this summer. A/C works too.




TonyK.

Grimsby Ontario Canada.
 
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