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I have met FAR too many people, including several of my In-Laws, who actively dismissed my intellect, and my opinions, as they put it, "You don't even have a degree!"

One of my more epic responses, when I stated, "You have three degrees, so how come you are so f*cking stupid?"

Didn't buy me any points with the In-laws, but my Father In Law was fairly impressed...

IMO, far too many people that paid for a degree, or several of them, think that they have finished having to learn anything new once they have paper in hand. The folks that understand that they have been handed a path to learning for the rest of their lives, I have less problems with!
So, NOT TO INSULT ANYONE HERE, I agree with this. It's my opinion and I'm allowed one :p

Generally (not all) I find educated people are usually more obstinate. I find it's a zero sum loop - I'm educated so I know more than you and you're uneducated so your input has no value. I'm saying the same thing you are when you say people say you don't have a degree so what do you know

Yet, those same people can't back up a trailer or swing a hammer or wire a house or...

It's two different worlds, and I don't think there's a right or wrong

The best people, IMO, are the ones who are smart enough to ask questions from the other side, listen to the answers and learn. On either side of the fence
 
Exams are tough to write. My wife says it is almost an art form to write a good exam to gauge a student's knowledge of the material. My brother-in-law went to England after finishing his degrees from Queens. I tell people he went to England to teach English to them since his doctorate is in English. Incredibly smart, trivia winner for sure, but day to day stuff...well... But his career is writing exams for schools, based on their needs. He then marks those exams to determine if the student knows the material. I found it interesting that he built a very good career out of designing just exams.

We had a new instructor in college one year. He came from industry, I think, iirc, a controls class. He had us write one test/exam. Almost all of us failed it....we complained that it was almost impossible, so he wrote another one for us. You guessed it, almost everyone got high 90s.....he could not write exams to judge knowledge base.

And some people just panic in an exam. Take them out of that situation, and they know the material very well. But under pressure, mind goes blank. (most of my days, no exam necessary)

:(
 
Exams that are multiple choice fellow a pattern , of the four answers, one is wrong, two are correct and one is the best answer.

Trevj, that engineer was a Brazilian .He had degrees in both electrical and mechanical engineering. His English wasn't the great but it was better than my non existent Portuguese . Working for a multinational, you get to meet all sorts. Being a Canuck I have no regard for posistion, but I do like meeting people. No matter their title, they are just people.
 
Having lived in the Netherlands with our two boys we were quite surprised that Misha, who was 4, was required to go to school. Linda had hoped to have one more year with him while Chris at 6 was expected to start Grade 1. Not so for The Netherlands.

AI Overview
In the Netherlands, students are streamed into different secondary education pathways at the age of 12, after completing primary school. This selection process determines which stream they will follow for the next stage of their education. The Dutch system offers three main streams: pre-vocational secondary education (VMBO), general secondary education (HAVO), and pre-university education (VWO).

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
  • Primary Education: Children typically attend primary school for eight years, starting from age 4 or
  • Secondary Education: At the age of 12, students transition to secondary school (Middelbare School).
  • Streaming:The transition to secondary school involves selecting one of three streams: VMBO, HAVO, or VWO.
    • VMBO: This stream focuses on vocational training and prepares students for vocational education.

    • HAVO: This stream prepares students for higher professional education (HBO).

    • VWO: This stream prepares students for university education (WO).
  • Compulsory Education: Compulsory education in the Netherlands lasts until the age of 16, but students can also continue their education in one of the secondary streams until they are 18 or obtain a diploma.

Because of that the company that I interviewed at was reluctant to hire me because I had a University Degree. From their perspective a degree meant a more research oriented person and less of a practical engineering type person. Luckily the manager who interviewed me decided what I said during the interview was more important than the piece of paper and I got the job.

This link may add a better understanding. Education in The Netherlands
 
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I have a good friend, in grade 12 he visited with the guidance counselor about possibly enrolling in engineering. The counselor stated, face it Lawrence, you should forget about engineering and focus on more of a trades type program at community college. So Lawrence ignored that advice, completed engineering and than a masters in business and went on to be VP of a $10B helicopter company.

You could be describing me. I dropped out of grade 12 because the physics teacher kicked me out of class, and the math teacher told me in front of the class that I'd never amount to anything because I didn't follow the book approach even though I got the right answer.

I got an hourly job in industry on a production line and hated it. Then got married and hated the hourly job even more. My wife encouraged me to go back to school, so I finished high school at night school with straight A's and suddenly loved it so much that I enrolled in Engineering with more straight A's. Attitude and motivation were my keys. Growing up as a farm boy and a handy man taught me practicality and a real world sense of scale. A rotten memory forced me to understand things instead of just copy/paste.

Funny ending. I actually threw my final year exams because I heard that most companies didn't like A+ graduates. They wanted Cs. But the profs put our grades on a scale so I still got As and A+s. Fk.

Luckily, like @jcdammeyer, I interviewed well, and with a young family, I was a fair bit older than other grads. Altogether I got exactly 101 job offers. Grades didnt seem to matter as much as experience and attitude.
 
We all have various experiences and educations.
The importance comes in the applications of the knowledge that we have gained.
An open-mind and fresh-thinking will better utilize skills without the limiting the opportunities of those planning ‘novel’ applications of design & material science.

Several times, Engineers have asked me how I managed to be awarded PCT Patents.
My answer . . . I was able to utilize new ways of applying my skills.
 
Engineers have asked me how I managed to be awarded PCT Patents.
My answer . . . I was able to utilize new ways of applying my skills.

I have held a number of patents too. If someone were to ask me how to do it, I'd have said. "you have to look at things others have seen and see things that no one else saw." But if you want to make money on your patents, I would have said, "you have to find new and better ways to solve costly problems."

I made most of my patent money just by being curious about everything and anything. I can't help it, I was born that way. But it just so happens that when you are curious, you can identify costly or important problems, solve them, and then patent the solution. More importantly, the world around you truly appreciates those who solve problems instead of just bitching about them.
 
You met one with common sense?

Damn. That's HERO material! YOU, for finding one, AND him or her for being it!

LOL!
And, I'll add, just as funny, that some dude responds with an Angry Face!

Mirrors, dude. You probably see what I am talking about, instead of what you thought you were signing up for!
Look for Sympathy, between Sh*t and Syphilis, in the Dictionary. You won't find it anywhere else!

I actually asked a surgeon that was about to perform on me, how old he was (knee surgery, to be clear, Arthroscopic, to be a little more precise. Dude looked like he was younger than Doogie Houser (Hawser?). (ancient TV series reference!)
I made it clear as I could, that I did not think he would be working where he was, if he was not competent and capable, just that I was genuinely curious, as I stated, that I was pretty happy to be under the qualified knife of someone that was current, in the state of the art, rather than being subjected to someone that stopped learning in the days of leeches and bloodletting...

Dude never did fess up, but he gave me great results for what I was on the table for!
 
I got detention in grade 7 for being late to return after lunch. I walked over to work and lost track of time fixing a chainsaw
I kept notes in the back page of my Binder, to track how many classes I could 'Miss', before it cost me anything worth considering.
Some days a few hour out fishing, is worth a little hookey!

I also got a puzzled look, and MANY questions, from my Recruiter in to the Canadian Forces, over trying to reconcile my graduating grades (poor), with what I scored on my initial aptitude tests. Most of "School" Bored. Me. Too. Tears! Crappy teachers, unable to explain how this information they were teaching, might serve in later life. So it was a droning, Charlie Brown Teacher voice....
 
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