B&S #7 dead center build

garageguy

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Hi guys, I am considering making a dead center for my grinder due to difficulty sourcing a used or reasonably priced new unit. I think that I have the process figured out with the machinery I have, but am wondering about hardening the tip. I have never hardened steel before but I think it would be necessary for a dead center, wouldn't it?
 

garageguy

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@YYCHM thanks for the reply. My plan is to rough cut the taper and point on the lathe then finish it in the grinder. Is that what you did? I am trying to figure out the order of operations . My lathe has no taper attachment but I may be able to just use the compound as long as the cut isn't too long. can I ask how you made yours? If anybody else wants to chime in I am all ears!
 

YYCHM

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@YYCHM thanks for the reply. My plan is to rough cut the taper and point on the lathe then finish it in the grinder. Is that what you did? I am trying to figure out the order of operations . My lathe has no taper attachment but I may be able to just use the compound as long as the cut isn't too long. can I ask how you made yours? If anybody else wants to chime in I am all ears!

I've only ever dealt with Morris Tapers, MT2 and MT3. My 9" Utilathe has a taper attachment. I made MT2 tapers on my mini-lathe using the offset tailstock method. I don't have a grinder, so every thing was as turned.


Looks like a B&S #7 taper has a OAL of 2.88". Does your compound have 3" of travel? I know mine doesn't.
 

garageguy

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My lathe is a 12x36 Busy Bee. Going to be a bit of a stretch but I'll see. This would be the first taper of any length I've ever cut.
 

Susquatch

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You dont need to use the full length. Just make the taper whatever length your compound can handle.
 

garageguy

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Good point susquatch . So getting down to the nitty gritty, the taper is 1/2 in. in a foot. If I want to cut a 3" long taper, do I offset the tail stock 1/4 of .500 in. = 1/8 in. ?
 

garageguy

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just thinking....the small end of the taper is .600 so I would start the taper from there,right? oops, I may be wrong in my tailstock setting
 
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YYCHM

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Good point susquatch . So getting down to the nitty gritty, the taper is 1/2 in. in a foot. If I want to cut a 3" long taper, do I offset the tail stock 1/4 of .500 in. = 1/8 in. ?

It ain't that easy. To cut a taper using the tail stock offset method, you need to take into account the length of the raw stock as presented between centers.
 

Susquatch

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I hate offsetting my tailstock. It's way to much work to get it back on center. Therefore, I wouldn't cut it by offsetting the tailstock. I'd use an indicator to set the angle on my compound.
 
Good point susquatch . So getting down to the nitty gritty, the taper is 1/2 in. in a foot. If I want to cut a 3" long taper, do I offset the tail stock 1/4 of .500 in. = 1/8 in. ?
I'm pretty rusty here, but this is assuming that the piece is cut exactly to length, then, yes, that sounds right to me.
 

garageguy

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Yes Craig, I have one. And as I was thinking about this I was going to ask if I make the offset according to the length of taper or the length of stock. I need to do research!! @Susquatch ,Offsetting my tailstock is not my idea of fun either. I may approach this from another angle. ( get it? )
 

garageguy

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@140mower ,me too. I took a short community college course in metal lathe but that was a looonnng time ago. I remember the instructor covering this but.....
 

garageguy

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I think my calculations are wrong. to cut the taper I should offset the TS 1/2 of the taper per foot. My head is starting to hurt.
 

Susquatch

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This is a problem. A lot of tapers are listed as the entire included angle. Some are just per side. This just bit me a week ago when I was making a grinding wheel abour. User beware I guess.
 

thestelster

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The B&S #7 is 0.5015" taper/foot. Which is 0.0418" taper per inch. Divide this by 2, therefore, 0.021" per inch.

Put the round stock between centers. You need two dial indicators (unless you have a DRO). The one indicator will measure your z-axis travel (position it on the bed with the point on the carriage), and the 2nd indicator on your tool post to measure the x-axis with the point on the round stock. Offset your tailstock until a movement of 1.000" in the z-axis, shows a 0.021" movement on your x-axis indicator.
 
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