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Anyone try Wamo / self-driving yet?

Love/hate on the CBC is fairly political.
For me it's not.

As an addendum, I all but turned off commercial radio around 10 years back after a favorite Sunday morning local classic rock broadcast started off w/ some garbage that had no place being there. There are two classic rock radio stations I'll turn on if I happen to be in the area, neither local. Happens a couple times/year.

Neither do I watch/listen/read anything from ABCCBSNBCCNNCTV or any other MSM, including (to some surprise, I imagine) Fox.

If I want music, I'll play my own or visit a select online site or three. I get news from a number of independent online sources.
 
I look forward to watching a Wamo try to deal with generally shitty Winnipeg roads, constant lane closures for construction, wrong way driving emergency vehicles, and did I mention generally shitty Winnipeg drivers?

Good luck.
 
I look forward to watching a Wamo try to deal with generally shitty Winnipeg roads, constant lane closures for construction, wrong way driving emergency vehicles, and did I mention generally shitty Winnipeg drivers?

Good luck.

Especially the potholes on Jarvis.
 
I've stayed away from news from the vast majority of sources for the last 40 years or so. Can't trust any of it. Anytime I ever saw the news about something where I already knew the facts, I'd see it on the news like some totally different event clearly focussed on sensationalism. If I can't believe what I know about, why would I trust anything else?

A while back now, I saw a video about events in the Ukraine. It looked totally ridiculous. On an impulse, I asked AI to fact check it. It was an eye opener. The propaganda on both sides was evident. So I started to do that more often. AI can be told to objectify events, cut through the hype, and give a short synopsis of whatever is really happening. Sure, it's still big data, and it's still coming from sources with an agenda, but at least for the time being, it seemed to be MUCH better than watching the news itself.

Just recently, I setup a routine news filter. Scan local events, do a fact check, eliminate news cast versions and reporter interpretations, and give me a very fast update. A wee bit later I added global events, but not global local (no school shootings in Arizona or south Africa).

It took quite a few tweaks, but I'm pretty happy with the news feed I'm getting now. It feels more like the news I used to watch back in 50s & 60s.

I fully anticipate that big data will figure out what I'm doing and then start to bias the reports I get. But for right now, I'm reasonable happy with it. It seems like it's more factual and informative, it totally skips the hype and politics, and it's all very brief.
 
John, that’s interesting. I’m finding the same thing with AI (if you get really specific with your query), the results are usually okay. Way too many times I’ve made a technical query and the response was clearly in error, when you point out the error the typical response is “good catch, you’re absolutely correct” followed by either the correct response or another error.

Going back 20 years, I used to think propaganda was mostly a foreign dictatorship type issue, I’m now of the opinion that we get plenty at home.

Regarding the sensationalism, at one point in my life I was on a trip that was getting near daily visits from the media. Most of the time reading the stories the following day would make us roll in laughter they would either spin half of what we stated or just make it up.

Critical thinking is our only defence.
 
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I've stayed away from news from the vast majority of sources for the last 40 years or so. Can't trust any of it. Anytime I ever saw the news about something where I already knew the facts, I'd see it on the news like some totally different event clearly focussed on sensationalism. If I can't believe what I know about, why would I trust anything else?

A while back now, I saw a video about events in the Ukraine. It looked totally ridiculous. On an impulse, I asked AI to fact check it. It was an eye opener. The propaganda on both sides was evident. So I started to do that more often. AI can be told to objectify events, cut through the hype, and give a short synopsis of whatever is really happening. Sure, it's still big data, and it's still coming from sources with an agenda, but at least for the time being, it seemed to be MUCH better than watching the news itself.

Just recently, I setup a routine news filter. Scan local events, do a fact check, eliminate news cast versions and reporter interpretations, and give me a very fast update. A wee bit later I added global events, but not global local (no school shootings in Arizona or south Africa).

It took quite a few tweaks, but I'm pretty happy with the news feed I'm getting now. It feels more like the news I used to watch back in 50s & 60s.

I fully anticipate that big data will figure out what I'm doing and then start to bias the reports I get. But for right now, I'm reasonable happy with it. It seems like it's more factual and informative, it totally skips the hype and politics, and it's all very brief.

I think this is extremely unhealthy for our society, because it's the logical extension of what "social media" has done, which has been to isolate "like-minded" people in information bubbles and making them suspicious, distrustful, and dismissive of anything said by "outsiders". The damage to our shared understanding of reality is evident around us in extreme political polarization and the awful regimes that spawns, as well as in the broad rejection of actual expertise, particularly in science. And now what you're proposing is isolating yourself not within a "tribal bubble", but in an individual bubble in which you don't need anyone to agree with you. That's not just socially unhealthy, it's mentally unhealthy. And it doesn't take a genius to see the irony in the similarity between that and Ted Kaczynski's approach, given that his actions were the product of hatred of the technology you now embrace.

Side note: We all lived through the Cold War, during which much of the world believed that an American invention - atomic bombs - were at the greatest risk of destroying not just societies, but possibly humanity altogether. Ironically, that's exactly what's been happening over the last decade (i.e. post-Cold War), only the American inventions doing it aren't bombs. They're "smart phones", "social media", and "reality television". It's probably time to add AI to that list.

When I was growing up in small-town Alberta, my parents maximized the information flow into our house, subscribing to two nearby-city daily newspapers, the local weekly, and a constantly mailbox-stuffing array of magazines from Time to The New Republic to The Atlantic to The Saturday Review to Harper's to The Nation to The New York Review of Books to Commentary to The Kainai News (published by one of the local Indian bands - they had a particularly sharp editorial cartoonist named Everett Soop) and probably a few more than don't spring to mind at the moment. But one that really stood out to me in later years (probably in my 20s) was The Alberta Report, which was a magazine closely associated with what became the Reform Party movement. My parents were decidedly left-leaning (which I could get into further, but won't here), so at some point I asked my dad why he continued to support a magazine that was generally opposed to his views. His answer was "How else are you going to keep an eye on the bastards?"

And the way I've conducted my life has reflected that broader view. There's a maxim that I took to heart early and earnestly:

If you're stupid, surround yourself with smart people. If you're smart, surround yourself with smart people who disagree with you.

This will not happen if you tailor to the last stitch all of the information you're exposed to, and I can't imagine a life more boring than one lacking honest and vigorous debate. I get lot of shit for "arguing" with people. I have two answers to that criticism:

"Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig. You're gonna get dirty, you're gonnna lose, and the pig likes it."

and

"I'm not arguing. I'm Jewish."

Of course, there are valid opposing views to the total-information-immersion approach, notably from Neil Postman in his 1985 book Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business. I made a point of re-reading it while on my road trip to Long Island in 2019 to pick up the first of my SuperCats - I thought it was about time I did so, and it was a nice fit because Postman lived in Queens, where I was headed. Part of his thesis was that we don't even have any business paying attention to any news that doesn't directly affect us, let alone wasting our brains on television trash. And it's a jarring read when you do so in the context of not only the Internet (which only erupted toward the end of his life) but "social media". Here's what his son has had to say about it:


I can't recommend highly enough reading Postman's books. One of the great delights of the early 90s was his weekly appearances on CBC (on Peter Gzowski's Morningside) for a season. I'd love to find those in their archives.

But to return to the subject at hand... No, what you're doing isn't even wrong. After all, if all you do is immerse yourself in "friendly" information, and exclude views not to your liking - including the obviously biased ones - you will quickly lose even the faculty to recognize them when they appear, leaving you particularly vulnerable to lies, bullshit, and ultimately exploitation. And if you think you're too smart for that, think again. Pay attention to the (minority of) students who are rejecting the use of AI because they've already recognized that it leads to decay in their own congnitive reasoning abilities.
 
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One of the great delights of the early 90s was his weekly appearances on CBC (on Peter Gzowski's Morningside) for a season. I'd love to find those in their archives.

My father was interviewed hundreds of times, he commented that the best interview of all was done by Peter Gzowski. One of the worst by a known interviewer was Howard Stern.
 
Worlds longest canoe trip.

File under "Least Expected Answer Ever". I'm not surprised by his observation on Stern, though. He was always described as a "shock jock", and I wondered for years what all the fuss was about, prior to my having any opportunity to hear him. Then I happened across his show while on a regular working trip in San Francisco in the early 90s - I remember pulling onto the 101 south and thinking "Cool - I finally get to listen to this guy." It had to be just about the most boring radio I'd ever heard, just him and his sidekick(s) nattering on about uninteresting shit.
 
Can't trust any of it.
BINGO!!!

Got nuttin' to do w/ politics. MSM is all liars, all of the time. Journalism is s'pose to be objective, giving both sides of the story & letting you draw your own conclusions. The current crop of MSM urinalists (I chose my word most carefully) has such a slant portrayed (on BOTH sides) that the Babylon Bee is now more accurate than any of them. And they're a satire site!
 
Journalism is s'pose to be objective, giving both sides of the story & letting you draw your own conclusions.

My wife has more degrees than I do, including one in journalism from Ryerson, which (despite the recent name change, is still Canada's preeminent J-school). I'm doing my best to keep her from wading into this conversation, because the result will be all-y'all gettin' an earful.

Yes, journalism is supposed to be objective. But - and this is why there are professional journalists - it's also supposed to know enough to filter the truth from the spin and other more harmful bullshit so as not to waste time and ink promoting bad ideas. The high school I graduated from is named for one of Canada's greatest (wartime) journalists, Matthew Halton. Do you think he spent his time under fire in European war zones providing Canadian readers and listeners "both sides" of the Allies vs. Nazis "story"? Of course not, and you know as well as I that that's a ridiculous proposition. What you're stating "should be" is patent bullshit, because it presumes that the receiver of the "equal presentation of views" has the knowledge and brains to separate right from wrong, and one of our more unfortunate societal trends of late (since the marked decay of the commercial viability of print reporting, to be sure) is the notion that quite wrong and often really awful ideas are somehow deserving of "equal time" alongside facts and truth. That idea itself is very, very wrong. And don't give me any of that twaddle about "doing my own research". We all know that that phrase is generally code for "listening to people - or maybe even just bots - of unknown origin and agendas in their 'social media' bubble", and what real research represents.

I can supply a useful reading list that includes The Death of Expertise and The Cult of the Amateur that'll help straighten out your obvious confusion in this regard, if you wish.
 
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If you're stupid, surround yourself with smart people. If you're smart, surround yourself with smart people who disagree with you.

For as long as I remembered my parents always made sure that I was put into situations where I was the worst and dumbest. One of the big reasons I left the industry and went back to school for something entirely different.
 
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