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The Great Ontario Foundry Road Trip, 2025

Tobho Mott

Active Member
I drove out to Foundry Supply Source in Milton ON a couple weeks ago to pick up ingredients to make some iron rated greensand. John P. The sales and lab guy gave me a great tour and showed me just about everything they sell there, Wow! I had not been out to Milton since 2015 when it was still called Smelko Foundry Products and was located on the other side of the 401. Tim Smelko gave me an amazing tour back then too, but I never got to see their sand testing lab equipment until this trip. I mentioned Tim had shown me everything but that, and John kindly let me shoot some photos and video while he was showing me all the tools and lab instruments, stuff I'd only ever read about before, in books like C.W. Ammen's Complete Handbook of Sand Casting. All my foundry equipment and tools (that are set up to actually use right now) are homemade, aside from the refractory in my furnace linings and my crucibles. But I've never (yet) tried to set up a sand testing lab... John is a great guy, very helpful, and they are still very much hobbyist friendly at the new site.

After loading boxes of sand and bags of clay and coal dust and ferrosilicon into my van, I took the opportunity to visit a few other Ontario metal casters I know from the home foundry forums along the way home too, and see their shops.

First I stopped in Brampton for a visit with our very own Bldr J. He has some cool machines set up in what used to be an old sock factory. I could lose a few days poking around in there. Showed me some cool 3D printed patterns and castings in aluminum and bronze, lamp shades and door hardware, etc. And he has a super cool antique optical pyrometer, you look at something glowing hot with one eye while you turn a glowing filament up/down in front of your other eye with a dial on a box you wear on your chest until they match, and the reading on the dial is your temperature for the glowing hot whatever. I might honestly need something like this one day if this cast iron quest I'm on works out, as my K-type thermocouple based immersion pyrometer tips aren't rated for ferrous casting temps. Sometimes I wonder if there's anyone out there with weirder saved Kijiji searches than me. Thanks again for letting me document my visit!

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Then on to Sydenham to see my friend Doug, who'd visited my backyard foundry a few months ago to chat after we'd traded some crucibles. He's building a 1/8 scale steam locomotive based on drawings from the National Museum of Science and Technology, pouring his own bronze and iron castings. He also has made his own oil bonded molding sand (called K-bond). If backyard iron casting wasn't impressive enough, he's the only guy I know in Canada who's ever been able to get his hands on a 50# bag on bentone-34, the elusive organoclay binder needed to make your own petrobond equivalent molding sand. I know one other guy (ok it was me) who managed to get a mere 2# sample of VG-plus from an outfit in Calgary that deals with big oil, but they stopped answering his emails when he mentioned he didn't need any entire pallets of the stuff, just a bag or 2.

Anyhow, Doug has some really interesting train part patterns. One of the complex wheel patterns was made of fiberglass, in a mold he milled out of homemade machinable wax. Very impressive. He's also built some interesting telescopes. Showed me a homemade wooden micrometer of some sort that was accurate enough to use in making the big curved mirror for one of them. I didn't get any pictures of that, unfortunately. Or his furnace or waste oil burner setup or homemade muller. But the train castings and patterns and his workshop were really cool to see. We chatted about some of the foundries in Ontario he's dealt with in the past that are sadly either gone now altogether or no longer taking on small jobs. I also heard about all the drama regarding him trying to get the cast iron liners for his locomotive's steam valves and pistons done. :) I don't know if Doug is on here, but maybe somebody else knows him too?

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Anyhow, if any of that sounds interesting, I clipped some more of the pictures and video together into sort of a road trip 'vlog', I think is what the kids would call it.


Jeff
 

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Looks like quite an adventure. Enjoyed the video.

Been meaning to get out to Smelko for a few years now to pickup ingredients for my own greensand, then discovered they were no longer in business. Happy to see it's a retirement and that John started a new business and he is still hobbiest friendly. Still not ready to drop that much $$ on sand yet until I build a bigger foundry, but will someday. Hopefully sooner than latter.

Is Doug a member here? Or just over at the homefoundry? Seems like he'd fit in here just fine, and I'm sure lots of us would enjoy his builds. I'm a member over there, but have never posted. Invite some of those Canadians over here if they are not here already.

If you even make that trip again and take the 115N to 7 home and need to water your horse, I'm just a quick detour off the 115 before the 35 split.
 
Thanks. I'm not sure if Doug is on here, was wondering the same. I'll ask next time I'm talking to him, or maybe someone on here knows him.

Petrobond is expensive, no way around it. Luckily like greensand it can be reused again and again if you know how to maintain it. Ingredients for the new greensand was dollars less per pound of sand, but I do have a couple hundred bucks into it. The 16# of ferrosilicon was more than half the final bill though.

Kitty litter and the finest sand you can find locally can certainly get you going greensand-wise even cheaper. The specific sand grain shape and size distribution do make a surprising difference, but like everything with molding sand it's about trade-offs - your sand might not be as fine as some other sand, but that means it'll have better permeability. The grain size distribution and shape might not make for as potentially strong of a bond given the same amount of binder as another sand, so you trade some of that permeability for some extra binder, and you get by. No muller? Ok well you definitely have some work ahead of you, but again, a little extra clay will make up for the not quite complete mulling action at the cost of some permeability. It took me years to convince myself to spend any more money than I absolutely had to on molding sand. Eventually I got lucky and had my first 300# of petrobond just kinda fall in my lap. Also had 100# of Smelko nonferrous greensand gifted to me early on when I was just getting started. That helped me know what good sand should.feel and act like, but think I learned more by having to test and adjust the percentages in my own diy recipe sand to compensate for its shortfalls when I decided to grow that old sand heap the cheap way.

So don't let the cost of molding sand be a barrier to getting started. But that said, if and when you get out to Milton, the supplier's warehouse is really something to see!

Jeff
 
I've already done the kitty litter homemade green sand a few years ago. It works Ok I guess, got a few projects done with it and got the casting bug from it, but with no muller it's a workout to keep it in good condition when I need it so sporadically. Once I get caught up on a bunch of other bigger projects I want to build a bigger foundry, and also a sand muller, then buy some commercially made stuff/ingredients. No point in buying anything yet, as I really can't utilize with my small electric foundry, nor maintain it without a muller.

In the meantime I'm going to give some lost foam a try in the next couple days. Casting is not my main hobby interest, It's more of a means to an end at this point. Just one of (too) many hobbies I juggle.
 
I tried the car too actually. But found just walking/stomping/squishing on it in a tarp worked just as good and wasn't as fiddly. Also tried rolling it it with a big caster wheel, pounding it with a rubber mallet, and also a lot of hand work clumping it up and squishing it around. I think the hand work actually worked the best, but it was the most laborious by far. Found I could get a couple moldings before having to rework the sand a bunch and add some more clay because it dried out too much and wouldn't hold together anymore. Once I exhausted my supply of ground kitty litter, and the sand stopped working is when I decided I needed a better way if I want to keep doing this, and that investing in proper sand and building a muller (maybe an old foundryman fluffer too) to maintain it would be worth it. I just didn't think my homemade sand was worth the effort any longer, and kinda put casting on the back burner while I moved on to other projects. That was a few years ago now.....I honestly didn't think it would take this long to get back to it.....Life gets in the way sometimes, but it's a fun journey....Looking back seems like yesterday... I wouldn't crap on anyone for trying the play sand kitty litter route. It's certainly cheap, and usable to see if you want to continue casting before making the investment. But it's far from ideal.

If all goes to plan I should be pouring again tomorrow afternoon.....If lost foam works out, I will move making the bigger foundry up to the top of the list once I finish this belt grinder off...
 
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