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[skippyelwell]

I'm just about to place an order with Accusize and thought I would run it pass you guys first.
I haven't had a lathe for a while so don't have much in the way of tooling, restoring a SM 10" lathe at the moment and want to re equip.
Not sure about the carbide bits,

 

[Susquatch]

I'm just about to place an order with Accusize and thought I would run it pass you guys first.
I haven't had a lathe for a while so don't have much in the way of tooling, restoring a SM 10" lathe at the moment and want to re equip.
Not sure about the carbide bits,

Drop the carbide tool set. It's a waste of money. You might someday use one or two of them. The rest will grow dust deep enough to grow potatoes in them. Buy individual tools as you need them.

The live center is ok, but there are others you might prefer after some experience.

I have a wedge style Accusize Toolpost and I like it.

The backplate only makes sense if you need it to adapt a chuck to your lathe.

Don't forget that forum members are eligible for an Accusize discount. See the member benefits section.

I'll post a separate note later today listing all the lathe tools I'd recommend.

 

[TorontoBuilder]

I'm just about to place an order with Accusize and thought I would run it pass you guys first.
I haven't had a lathe for a while so don't have much in the way of tooling, restoring a SM 10" lathe at the moment and want to re equip.
Not sure about the carbide bits,

buy the integrated 5C collet chuck

 

[Susquatch]

buy the integrated 5C collet chuck

I had this on my list too but deleted it to put it on my second bigger list. I use my collet chuck 2 or 3x as much as all my other chucks combined.

Going to go the shop later today or tomorrow and look at what I use most and want to recommend. I think that's a list I should have made ages ago and updated periodically.

 

[ChazzC]

I had this on my list too but deleted it to put it on my second bigger list. I use my collet chuck 2 or 3x as much as all my other chucks combined.

If you ER collet chuck, I agree: one already has a lot of 5C collets, ER40 chuck & collets make more sense.

 

[skippyelwell]

If you ER collet chuck, I agree: one already has a lot of 5C collets, ER40 chuck & collets make more sense.

I have a bunch of the ER40 collets already but I would need a holder like this, yes?

 

[Tom O]

I take it you already have a drill for the tailstock.

 

[skippyelwell]

Drop the carbide tool set. It's a waste of money. You might someday use one or two of them. The rest will grow dust deep enough to grow potatoes in them. Buy individual tools as you need them.

The live center is ok, but there are others you might prefer after some experience.

I have a wedge style Accusize Toolpost and I like it.

The backplate only makes sense if you need it to adapt a chuck to your lathe.

Don't forget that forum members are eligible for an Accusize discount. See the member benefits section.

I'll post a separate note later today listing all the lathe tools I'd recommend.

What would be a live center that you like?
I do need the backplate to adapt the 4 jaw chuck to the D3 mount.

 

[skippyelwell]

I take it you already have a drill for the tailstock.

A drill chuck you mean? Hell I don't even have a working tailstock yet, I'm trying to adapt the Utilathe 13" tailstock to fit my 10".

 

[ChazzC]

I have a bunch of the ER40 collets already but I would need a holder like this, yes?

That's for a mill (R8 spindle).

You need a collet chuck made for a lathe backplate (SHARS, couldn't find any on the Accusize site; can also find on eBay – Discount Machine Shop – for somewhat less):

The above has a set-tru (-ish) feature; you can get them without this for significantly less. You will need to verify the backplate required (SHARS/Discount Machine Shop can help with these as well

 

[Susquatch]

If you ER collet chuck, I agree: one already has a lot of 5C collets, ER40 chuck & collets make more sense.

I don't think it's productive to get into a debate about 5C vs ER. They are BOTH a HUGE benefit on a lathe. I prefer 5C on a lathe simply because they are primarily designed to hold work while the ER was primarily designed to be a tool holding device. If you can only have one or prefer just one, then get whatever you prefer for whatever reasons make sense to you. I am fortunate to have acquired both so the ER gets used mostly (but not always) on my Mill and 5C mostly (but not always) on my Lathe.

 

[Susquatch]

What would be a live center that you like?

I personally have several. The one I like best looks like this:




The small nose let's me get in closer to the work with normal tools.

For my work, I also prefer a precision live center with very low runout. That's really the only reason I don't use it all the time. I don't want to wear it out and I don't always need precision.

 

[combustable herbage]

I bought this er40 collet chuck for my standard modern 10 utilathe and have been very happy with it bought a nut with bearings and a large set of collets and I am set from 2mm-32mm.

Amazon.ca

 

[TorontoBuilder]

I don't think it's productive to get into a debate about 5C vs ER. They are BOTH a HUGE benefit on a lathe. I prefer 5C on a lathe simply because they are primarily designed to hold work while the ER was primarily designed to be a tool holding device. If you can only have one or prefer just one, then get whatever you prefer for whatever reasons make sense to you. I am fortunate to have acquired both so the ER gets used mostly (but not always) on my Mill and 5C mostly (but not always) on my Lathe.

I dont want to further this debate either, but I'll say that the integral 5C collet chuck has very little run out and does not require any back plate machining or such to get up and running asap.

 

[darrin1200]

I dont want to further this debate either, but I'll say that the integral 5C collet chuck has very little run out and does not require any back plate machining or such to get up and running asap.

What do you mean by an integral 5C collet chuck? My SM 10” has a 4C adapter to fit into the MT4 headstock spindle. I couldn’t find anything in a 5C.

 

[skippyelwell]

So with using 5C or ER40 collets to hold the work piece, what happens when the the round stock you buy isn't precisely the same size?
I buy most of my metal from McKinnon Metals, https://mckinnonmetals.com/ and some times what is sold as 1/2" or 1" is somewhat under or over sized, these collets don't look like they they have a lot of give in either direction.
Would I be damaging the accuracy of the collets by using them for nominal size stock?

 

[1018Machine]

So with using 5C or ER40 collets to hold the work piece, what happens when the the round stock you buy isn't precisely the same size?

Would I be damaging the accuracy of the collets by using them for nominal size stock?

Most collets are flexible enough to expand to accommodate oversized stock, especially the bigger the hole size where there is less meat around the circumference. You won't damage the collet so long as the stock isn't grossly oversized, requiring something loke a hammer to get it in

 

[1018Machine]

Drop the carbide tool set. It's a waste of money. You might someday use one or two of them. The rest will grow dust deep enough to grow potatoes in them. Buy individual tools as you need them.

Drop the carbide tool set. It's a waste of money. You might someday use one or two of them. The rest will grow dust deep enough to grow potatoes in them. Buy individual tools as you need them.

Agreed on the carbide set, in fact I'd take it one step farther and ditch the carbide all together and learn to grind HSS! A 10' lathe IMO is not meant to run todays carbide inserts, especially anything with a negative rake.

 

[ChazzC]

So with using 5C or ER40 collets to hold the work piece, what happens when the the round stock you buy isn't precisely the same size?
I buy most of my metal from McKinnon Metals, https://mckinnonmetals.com/ and some times what is sold as 1/2" or 1" is somewhat under or over sized, these collets don't look like they they have a lot of give in either direction.
Would I be damaging the accuracy of the collets by using them for nominal size stock?

ER collets have a significantly larger gripping range than 5C collets:

 

[Susquatch]

@skippyelwell

Further to my comments above, I went out to the shop this morning and had a look at what I use regularly and prepared the following lists for you. This is just my list which is based somewhat on what I do and what I recommend. Others will disagree and that's ok. There is always more than one way to skin a moose.

Basic Tools and Accessories that normally come with the lathe:
- 3 jaw scrolling chuck
- 4 jaw independent chuck
- tailstock
- toolholder

Optional (not necessarily required) Accessories that often come with the lathe but can be made if not - some skill is required. For me, these are selling features that might influence the price I'm willing to pay. For small work close to the chuck, they are not needed.
- steady rest
- follow rest

Accessories that should be purchased if not already with the lathe:
- 1/2" drill chuck to fit your tailstock
- Lathe Files
- 1 inch Plunge Style Indicator 0.001 with mag base and tool holder base
- Dial Test Indicator 0.0005 or 0.0001 with mag base and tool holder base
- Good quality 1 and 2" outside and inside micrometers
- 6 inch calipers - vernier, dial, or digital
- Good way oil
- Lathe Center Height Standard (make this for your lathe - lots of examples on the forum)
- Lathe chuck steps. You can use parallels for this till you buy or make something better
- Rear Spider for through spindle stock
- Small parts chuck (only needed for bigger lathes)
- Dead Centers and drive dogs
- Assortment of HSS tool bits and shims
- Assorted sizes of HSS Boring bars
- Parting blades & holders
- Center Drill Set
- Machinery's Handbook
- Conversion Charts
- Feeds N Speeds Charts
- Tap & Drill Calculator or Chart
- Good LED light
- Cutting fluids for various metals
- brushes, brush dip can, and dripper
- Headstock oil
- Other oils as required
- Tools and Allen wrenches to fit every adjustment on your lathe
- Plywood way protector or better yet custom Chuck Bed Supports

For threading with taps and dies you should have:
- Threading die holders
- Threading tap follower

For single point threading you should have:
- Threading gauges
- 60 deg gauge
- hss threading tools

Other nice to have equipment
- A nice wedge or piston style Aloris clone tool post and tool holders.
- 5C Collet chuck and collets

Cruise this forum for how-to threads and other interesting tools.

I highly recommend starting with HSS tooling and learning how to grind tool bits first. This will teach you things you need to know. You can get Carbide Insert Tooling when and if you are ready. Lots of members only use HSS.