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H2D?

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Dan Dubeau

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Has anybody else seen the next gen model from Bambu Labs?

https://bambulab.com/en-us/h2d

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Watched a few reviews so far, and so far it seems like quite an amazing printer. I love the multi nozzle aspect (to reduce purge waste), and a few other features it has. The AMS with built in dryer is a great addition too. Very expensive, but it seems like you get a lot for your money. I'm going to start saving pennies....er...nickles now and hopefully there is a black Friday sales like in years past.
 
A coworker has one on order. He's excited, as he runs his 3d printing as a side business. He figures he can probably get 2 times the throughput on the machine between the dual nozzles cutting time on 2 color or support material swaps and the larger build volume allowing more parts at the same time.

I'm happy bought my Anycubic when I did so that I'm not tempted by a better more expensive machine. $2600 plus tax is effectively 3 times what I paid, and I don't believe most home users are going to get their money's worth out of it. But then again, when it comes to toys we rarely are talking about payback period.

I just happy to know someone who's going to have one and if I need its capabilities I know who to ask.

Also, start looking for more used X1 carbons and P1S to hit the market...could be a more economical choice to get a nice printer.
 
I'll wait until its a a little less bleeding edge, but that's a pretty attractive machine.

As a combination of amazing performance/speed, reliability, features, ease of use plus fantastic customer service, imo no one comes close to them.

Good point Mike about X1C's hitting the market as people upgrade..... otoh if I was buying, I'd start convincing myself I needed those new features lol.
 
The AMS with built in dryer, and the dual print head were some things I really thought were lacking in the x1c/p1s. Addressing those and refining others are a big step forward in getting me off my wallet. The fact the AMS2 is backwards compatible makes me want to wait until some X1C's start hitting the used market because people "need" to upgrade. On the other hand, I really never liked the one print nozzle and waste associated with it.... For a few grand $$ savings I could learn to live with it though.....

Regardless what I get, it'll be a few months away anyway. But those were two things that I was hoping for in the next gen printer from them, and they delivered.

I'm not really sold on the laser head idea though. Not sure that's going to work out the way folks think it will.....Lasers are dirty messy things, and 3d printers need cleanliness. Like Dogs and Cats sharing the same environment......Good in theory, but time will tell how it works out in practice. Same with the drag knife, although that might be ok for some materials.
 
MrWhoopee said:
Damn! I'm loving my X1-C, but laser engraving and AMS with built-in dryer ?!
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Did you say Laser Engraving built in too!!! For serious???

If so, Oh Oh, my savings account might be in serious danger of being overdrawn........

What's the value proposition here?

Ie what does a separate engraver with those capabilities cost?

What has Bamboo done about their closed fence policy? Is this in that same no man's land camp?

Lotta money for that baby...
 
Also, unless you are truly space constrained, IMHO the laser doesn't make sense, you can get a stand alone laser engraver/cutter for similar $ as the increase in cost. I guess one of the Bambu's benefits is that its all in the same ecosystem so will feel easier to learn / use, fully enclosed and has a fairly deep working envelope compared to cheap 10W engravers designed for sheet material.
Their pricing is a bit tricky, $2599 for standard unit, $2999 for one that is laser "capable", $3799 for one that actually has a 10W laser and $4699 for the 40W laser version. So call it $1200 for adding a 10W laser, or $2100 for the 40W laser. Personally I'd try and find space for a separate laser system but Bambu must have done some sort of market research and figured this has legs..
 
I have a 10w laser and 3d printer. For what I use it for, which is cutting things out of thin sheet stock it works fine. The H3D camera based alignment as well as automatic 3d scanning and profiling to laser onto curved surfaces are really nice features not found on cheaper 2D lasers.

So while it would be cheaper and have a larger cutting area to get a separate 2D diode laser, I don’t think the price is too far off considering the functionality IF you will utilize that.

Myself, the laser cutter is 95% used for gaskets, foam, and cutting crafts out for the kids. I wouldn’t use the 3D laser functionality enough to warrant the extra cost.

I had been eyeing up the x1 carbon but was hoping for something with a bit larger print volume. I got to see the large format creality in person at CES and was really underwhelmed. This is an expensive upgrade though so I will likely wait a bit to see how the real world reviews are and hope for a sale.
 
van123d said:
I had been eyeing up the x1 carbon but was hoping for something with a bit larger print volume.
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I think a lot of us forget about the ability of most slicers to somewhat easily break up a larger model into parts and pieces that are printable in a smaller volume printer. Press the right buttons and the slicer will do exactly that, slice it up and add dovetails, pins or tabs to easily assemble the pieces into a whole with the right adhesive, Printing smaller pieces may also somewhat lessen the chances of a larger print warping or failing 95% of the way through a 27 hour print job.
 
Doggggboy said:
I think a lot of us forget about the ability of most slicers to somewhat easily break up a larger model into parts and pieces that are printable in a smaller volume printer. Press the right buttons and the slicer will do exactly that, slice it up and add dovetails, pins or tabs to easily assemble the pieces into a whole with the right adhesive, Printing smaller pieces may also somewhat lessen the chances of a larger print warping or failing 95% of the way through a 27 hour print job.
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That is what I do today. Now instead of the very minimal risk of a print failing at a late stage, I have a much higher chance of the dovetail joint being too tight or too loose resulting in multiple prints that were 27hr+ each being scrap. Plus the cosmetic impact of the joint. It’s a workable solution when you have no better option but I would much rather have the increased build volume and not have the hassle.
 
I have an X1C. Just printing causes fumes and a slight film build up in the machine. What is going to happen when laser cutting? That smoke has to go somewhere.

Built in dryer on the AMS. I'm not sure how or if that will work. You need a fair bit of drying time on most filaments before printing. My guess is you will just be using the AMS as a dryer until you need to print? (I think a separate dedicated dryer might be a better option). Also I don't think you will be able to dry and print at the same time. The heated filament will be soft and may not feed properly is my thought.

My experince with the AMS is that it is not airtight. You can not leave filament in the AMS sitting. It will absorb moisture and become brittle. (I now unload all filament from the AMS and store it correctly after using my machine. In fact, I hardly ever use the AMS. Most times my prints are one color and I use the external spool holder.) Maybe the heated AMS is to prevent this from happening?

Actually TPU is one of the filaments that you really need to dry well before printing and it is not even recommended to use TPU in the AMS because it is too soft. You have to feed it off the external spool holder.

I'm hoping they have come up with some ideas on how to work around these issues.


The one thing that does look good is the actively heated chamber.
ohhhh..... and the other one thing...... the dual print heads. :)
 
The machine is nice step up. Many have been looking for a two head machine and Bambu beat Prusa to market. The reviews have been overall positive. Not 100% but pretty good.
Save your and drop the laser option. Lasers are messy and will coat the inside of the machine. One can buy a used laser machine for not much money.
 
What I do if there is a joint/interface, is to just print the immediate area around the joint to test for fit or lack of. At least at that point, one can modify the model to achieve a better fit before printing for hours and have a failure.
 
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