Grip 1440HD

[garball]

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[YYCHM]

Victoria, BC - $10,500

 

[Dabbler]

that's a lot of coin.

 

[Tom Kitta]

You can get a brand new King 14 x 40 for less.
I priced similar but older machine of this type at 7500 recently. I think this one, given that you have to move it yourself, should be in the same range. Its not a "brand name" machine. And that is if its in perfect condition. Note no tooling listed. No pictures.

 

[garball]

20k, I don’t know. This was a $13,000 lathe in it’s time. The King 14x40 is not in the same class by a long shot. This is the same lathe that Jet and Grip used to sell. It’s a very stout lathe at 3000lbs and it’s brand new! Not a terrible price, it’s just a lot of money for some hobbiest.

 

[Dabbler]

This type sold at Modern for 17K$ for a long time, but now is well over 24K$. Looks mostly unused. A lot of money, but it would be a steel at 8K$, and a decent enough price at 10K$.

All the acessories need to be there and everything needs to check out (gearing, chucks are okay, etc)

 

[Tom Kitta]

Where on Modern - I looked at https://www.moderntool.com/products/category/lathes-new/ and could not find it.

I went to Grizzly same thing. None of the lathes go above 2000 lbs

I did find some very heavy duty 14x40 - https://www.elitemetaltools.com/too...y-duty-precision-gap-bed-lathe?sku=GML-1440HD

But that is >>> this lathe. For 14,500 USD (I am sure you can take off a bit from the price) So around 17500 CAD plus taxes etc.

In the same weight class, but bigger we have Grizzly - https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-16-x-40-3-phase-gunsmithing-metal-lathe/g0509g
For 15,000

Regular 14x40 from Grizzly but big bore is around 8000 USD so about 10k.

So how much realistically new for this lathe? 12500? 13000? 13500?

But I was unable to find this lathe anywhere or even similar design - certainly no warranty and no parts.

Wait I did find the lathe! https://www.kbctools.ca/itemdetail/6-269-007

LOL, I think I priced it generously at 7500, I drop my estimate Its about as "heavy duty" as King is. So new this lathe was around 9000 CAD or so, same as King for similar lathe. Note this is no longer for sale, no support, nothing. Its KBC store brand lathe. Found some info on it, discontinued.

FOUND IT FOR SALE! https://www.huronindustrial.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=9882

As predicted its cheap, 8500 USD. But no other info - bet the price is on the high end. So about 10500 new CAD.

 

[John Conroy]

It is much the same as the Modern GH1440W, also sold by Jet under the same model number. PrecisionMatthews sold them as the PM1440HD. As far as I can tell none of them still sell this model. I bought mine in 2018 from Modern when they were selling for about $13K. Very happy with mine.

 

[John Conroy]

The House of Tools used to sell this machine as a GH1440B. There is one for sale near Edmonton but the ad says it needs a motor and a compound. Might be worth a look for the $3500 asking price

Force 1440 B metal lathe | Power Tools | St. Albert | Kijiji

14”x40” Heavy duty lathe. With taper attachment. Coolant system 12 speed 40-1800 RPM. New machine. And attachments shown. Needs motor and compound rest

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[YotaBota]

Looks mostly unused

The write up in the ad has changed since first posted, in the original ad the seller said he bought the lathe new but developed a medical issue and has never been able to use it. He started at $12k .

GRIP-1440HD Victoria

My $10k would go to a new PM835 mill.

canadianhobbymetalworkers.com

 

[John Conroy]

The Grip brand seems to be from KBC Tools. That machine is still listed on their website but shows it is no longer available.

KBC,GRIP-1440HD PREC LATHE 3HP 230V 1PH,6-269-007,KBC Tools & Machinery

KBC,GRIP-1440HD PREC LATHE 3HP 230V 1PH,6-269-007,KBC Tools & Machinery

www.kbctools.ca

If your use the "sort by" feature on KBC's web page and set it to sort by price-lowest to highest you will find it's original listed price was between $9000 and $14500

 

[Tom Kitta]

Well, if anyone really wants that lathe there is one I found for $10500 CAD brand new. Need to pay tax and shipping. I think most pp think the way I do as the lathe is not exactly flying off the shelf. Knowing brand new one is 10500 CAD in stock I wonder how much Dabbler would pay for used one just to save on tax plus some extras - you still need to move both lathes and pay some $$$ to do so or spent some time - time is $.

As far as lathe features, other then heavy weight, it is very, very similar to King 14x40. It does not have bigger cam lock, it does not have big bore, no ways oiler etc. I don't even see it as a gap bed. I.e. its a heavy King 14x40.

 

[John Conroy]

Big difference Tom, 1300 lbs vs 3000 lbs. 7" bed width vs 11" bed with., sheet meal stand vs cast iron base, etc, etc

 

[Tom Kitta]

Big difference Tom, 1300 lbs vs 3000 lbs. 7" bed width vs 11" bed with., sheet meal stand vs cast iron base, etc, etc

Its not 3000 lbs its 2600 lbs. Other then weight it has exactly the same components as king. EXACTLY. This is why its only marginally more $ then King, only about $1500 more.

 

[DavidR8]

I don't have a dog in this fight but the control panel on the King 1440 looks nothing like the lathe in the original post. I cannot see a mfg completely redesigning the controls for exactly the same machine.
The King 16x40 also doesn't look anything like the Grip 1440.
Original post

King 1440

 

[Tom Kitta]

Oh the control panel are sure different - this is why I figured out its discontinued - I could not easily find one for sale.
King is identical in all performance parameters or super close. Bore? Same. Speeds? Similar. Threads, similar. Chuck mounting? same. etc. etc. etc.

I think you misunderstood what I said - I was comparing specs other then weight. They are almost identical. I do not care where the actual handles are.

When you compare to the 17500 lathe I found its huge difference. Huge. It has big bore, different chuck mounting, gap bed, auto oiler, etc. etc. etc.

I mean this is why price is a bit higher then King, 1500 CAD - same performance as King but in a much heavier and solid lathe. Or shall we say King can do everything this lathe can but touch slower. If you say added solid base to king you would almost get this lathe.

 

[garball]

Lol, It's a 3050 lbs lathe for crying out loud! Not at all in the same class as the King. Gee, you can't claim a lathe is almost identical just because it has the same functionality. BTW, Ujil at Woods Creek Workshop (youTube channel) has the Jet version of this lathe.

 

[Tom Kitta]

Lol, It's a 3050 lbs lathe for crying out loud! Not at all in the same class as the King. Gee, you can't claim a lathe is almost identical just because it has the same functionality. BTW, Ujil at Woods Creek Workshop (youTube channel) has the Jet version of this lathe.

You say in different class. My opinion is very similar class. Price underscores this.
In fact the latest king exceed this lathe in few categories so I would say these cancel out the double weight difference.

 

[Dabbler]

Having used the 11" bed version and I own the 8" be version, they are not the same league at all. I don't need to say any more about it than that. The version sold by Modern was 3350lbs on the shop floor, 3700 lbs shipping weight. I am assuming that this one is another version of the Modern Tool one at 3300lbs.

 

[Tom Kitta]

Having used the 11" bed version and I own the 8" be version, they are not the same league at all. I don't need to say any more about it than that. The version sold by Modern was 3350lbs on the shop floor, 3700 lbs shipping weight. I am assuming that this one is another version of the Modern Tool one at 3300lbs.

On sale data sheet the weight class is given as 2600 lbs on shop floor. So its not the same one as the modern one. Shipping weight is at around 3000 lbs. High end 14x40 costs 17500, is around 4500 lbs, has auto oiler, big bore, 6hp etc. etc. etc.
This model is discontinued AFAIK. It can be had for $10500 CAD brand new.